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Councillor Gerry Ginty on Desmond Tutu's coming to Ballina, Co. Mayo


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Tutu visit draws ire of town councillor - Independent.ie

31 March 2013

Controversy has erupted after a town councillor said that Archbishop Desmond Tutu would be better off doing something for his own people in South Africa than coming to Ballina, Co Mayo, to "endorse" a new Mary Robinson Centre in the town.

"He and other members of the South African elite have let their own people down – and I'm including Nelson Mandela in this, although I know you are not meant to say anything about him because he's a living saint," Councillor Gerry Ginty told the Sunday Independent yesterday.
Hear hear! Nice to see a politician stating the obvious once in a while ;)
 


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Is Ginty not a former member of SF which had huge connections with Mandela. I think ANC got some technical help from IRA once upon a time !
 

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Is Ginty not a former member of SF which had huge connections with Mandela. I think ANC got some technical help from IRA once upon a time !
Ah he is indeed but it appears he has, as they say, "seen the Light" , lol....
 

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Is Ginty not a former member of SF which had huge connections with Mandela. I think ANC got some technical help from IRA once upon a time !
Perhaps.. but what difference does that make to the point of the thread ?

If Gerry Kelly somehow discovered a cure for cancer in the morning.. would you hail the fact that he cured cancer, or focus on the fact he once blew up the Old Bailey..

A good point is a good point no matter who makes it
 

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Can I just ask, as I am just herself in the kitchen, what is wrong with Bishop Tutu? I must say that whenever I saw him being interviewed I liked him.
 

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Can I just ask, as I am just herself in the kitchen, what is wrong with Bishop Tutu? I must say that whenever I saw him being interviewed I liked him.
I guess doing some research would be expecting too much? You seem to have grasped how to turn on a computer all on your lonesome, being that you spend an awful lot of time on this site......
 

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He protects Travellers and rails against council plans curtailiing the putting up huge momuments to them in graveyards. Just happens he is a monumental sculptor who puts up a lot of them !
 

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I guess doing some research would be expecting too much? You seem to have grasped how to turn on a computer all on your lonesome, being that you spend an awful lot of time on this site......
I know how to do research and I know more about IT and computers than you think - I just wanted an explaination of some poster's ire at Tutu. S'all.
 

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He protects Travellers and rails against council plans curtailiing the putting up huge momuments to them in graveyards. Just happens he is a monumental sculptor who puts up a lot of them !
there are a lot of jips in ballina,
enough to elect an urban councillor, if they voted
 

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there are a lot of jips in ballina,
enough to elect an urban councillor, if they voted
i would even go so far as to say there are not many in ballina more than a generation or two away from the side of the road
 

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So a hillbilly councillor from a one horse town in an bankrupt banana republic on an island off the coast of Europe says that Mandela is elitist. Good man, that's really going to put it up 'em in SA. Ginty isn't fit to clean Mandela's shoes.
 

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So a hillbilly councillor from a one horse town in an bankrupt banana republic on an island off the coast of Europe says that Mandela is elitist. Good man, that's really going to put it up 'em in SA. Ginty isn't fit to clean Mandela's shoes.
but he would do him a great deal on a headstone.....
 

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i would even go so far as to say there are not many in ballina more than a generation or two away from the side of the road
you must be the Castlebar side of the "hill"..
 

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So a hillbilly councillor from a one horse town in an bankrupt banana republic on an island off the coast of Europe says that Mandela is elitist. Good man, that's really going to put it up 'em in SA. Ginty isn't fit to clean Mandela's shoes.
I'm working on the assumption that this thread is a day early
 

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I guess doing some research would be
expecting too much? You seem to have grasped how to turn on a computer all on your lonesome, being that you spend an awful lot of time on this site......
That's what the person who starts the thread and introduces the charge, is supposed to do, and then present it for discussion.
 

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i would even go so far as to say there are not many in ballina more than a generation or two away from the side of the road
a lot of the jips put up white Italian monuments, some of them even have hiace vans attached made of marble.Garda riot squad are usually on stand by at the blessings.
 

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Whatever about Mary's political philosophy, the liberal left corporatism that it is, one has to acknowledge, she is un femme formidable who has brought honour and distinction to whatever office she has held, here or abroad. She did so because unlike many born into relative privilege at the time, she knew that such privilege gave her the luxury of being able to do something and achieve good whilst many of her class would choose the path of utter cultural and social conformity, the easier option.

That said however, I find the elders of which she is a member with Archbishop Tutu, Bill Gates, and perhaps Al Gore too, a tad 'elitist' and useful or used faces for a disconcerting globalism, an industry in itself of which there are supplicants and defenders who seem to be doing very well out of it, and who in effect are a vested interest pushing their own well heeled advocacy.

But, here's the thing, it is in the end, an ideology that is the antithesis of Christianity. (One cannot create a utopia on earth, without the interior conversion of each heart). All human systems, be they: socialist, capitalist, consumerist, corporatist or communist are each in their own way both corrupting and corruptable, with an element of depersonalist social engineering, as humanity becomes a mere cog in the machine for the dachas of those we put up on some kind of pedestal. Meanwhile, life continues, as the unsung heores and heroines that are in every community just go about trying to make life better for their families and neighbours despite the failures of each system.

So, personally, for what it's worth, I am always more comfortable with honouring those who were extraordinary in their whole lives for being sacrificial to the point of great personal cost or risk, as opposed to any incidental personal benefits that come their way because of their politics or position. So by that score Mandela and Tutu are indeed remarkable, courageous, and truly great men, even if the latter has become useful to a flawed global ideology.

Often though, the public don't know if such heroic virtue is fully the case in many others, while they live, their humilty and courage only known fully post humously especially if they are not key characters in great historical events, not even bit players at the time.

While Mary is no Dorothy Day, or Solzenhitzyn, her home town should recognise her achievements in the crucial area of equality, especially as it pertains to women. So well done Ballina, welcome Archbishop Tutu to Mayo, and Congrats Mary, but lets not lose the run of ourselves, Mary has been privileged, and we are thankful she has used it well.
 
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Can I just ask, as I am just herself in the kitchen, what is wrong with Bishop Tutu? I must say that whenever I saw him being interviewed I liked him.
I suspect Ginty may not like Tutu because of Mary Robinson being a friend of hers. Some in her home town never forgave Mary for defeating spoofer Lenihan and FF in 1990. a Proposal to name a new pedestrian bridge in Ballina after her three years ago was opposed tooth and nail by FF,and defeated, so small minded were they. Prophet in her own town never accepted.
 

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