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Counter-Cyber-Attack? US targets Russian power grid ...

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One of the major outputs of the Mueller Report was the authoritative confirmation of state-authorized Russian interference in the 2016 Presidential election:
... the Special Counsel?s investigation established that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election principally through two operations.
  • First, a Russian entity carried out a social media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J. Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.
  • Second, a Russian intelligence service conducted computer-intrusion operations against entities, employees, and volunteers working on the Clinton Campaign and then released stolen documents.
The Report also confirmed that Russian agents hacked voting machines in Florida, a vital swing state.
At the time President Obama was aware of this and wanted to go public, but felt he could not after Senator Mitch McConnell threatened to accuse the President of interfering in a partisan way. After the election, Obama did expel Russian diplomats and impose sanctions, but it was left to the incoming Administration to adopt a full retaliation and prevention policy.

This was strangely absent. President Trump looked upon any mention of Russian interference as a threat to the legitimacy of his election. He started by calling the whole matter "Fake News" or a "Hoax", a term which he also once used to describe global warming. Then he claimed to accept Vladimir Putin's assurance that Russia was not behind the interference that had clearly occurred, publicly disowning US intelligence findings.

However, there are now reports that a counter-strike is now being made possible. by US Cyber-Command aggressively targeting Russia's electrical grid.
The operation is obviously a warning to negate any repeat of 2016 in 2020. Putin cannot afford the acute disaffection that would occur with severe power outages in the country.

The leaking of the operation is also interesting - it is believed that the President was not briefed on the operation, but he cannot now ordered it stopped without attracting suspicion.
This is an escalation of what many call the New Cold War. It is a dangerous escalation - but the Russian attack on the USA in 2016 is what brought it about.
 
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Erm... that is a bit alarming in itself- that Trump wasn't briefed on a planned operation of this scale.

Isn't he supposed to be a Commander-in-Chief?
 

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Erm... that is a bit alarming in itself- that Trump wasn't briefed on a planned operation of this scale.

Isn't he supposed to be a Commander-in-Chief?
If true, it simply beggars belief. I find it hard to credit, TBH. Is it even possible for that to happen - who else would have the authority to sign off on an operation of such political significance without the president knowing?

Has Trump reacted to this claim? His reactions are often telling, I find.
 

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So basically in the middle of this tale of political 'they did it first you know, they started it' maturity we are also suppose to swallow the news that the US Chiefs of Staff appear to have gone rogue and are proposing to attack other sovereign states easily definable as an act of war and they've neglected to brief the White House on the Pentagon's cool new initiative?

Can't see it somehow.
 

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Didn't Rachel Maddow claim that the Russians had the capability to shut down the power in Fargo mid winter?
 

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If true, it simply beggars belief. I find it hard to credit, TBH. Is it even possible for that to happen - who else would have the authority to sign off on an operation of such political significance without the president knowing?

Has Trump reacted to this claim? His reactions are often telling, I find.
He left his phone on the golf course.
 

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Erm... that is a bit alarming in itself- that Trump wasn't briefed on a planned operation of this scale.

Isn't he supposed to be a Commander-in-Chief?

Two officials told the Times they think the commander in chief hasn’t received detailed briefing on the effort. There is “broad hesitation” among Pentagon and intelligence officials to reveal too many details of the program to Trump because they fear how he might react or that he could even bring it up with foreign officials.
Trump is totally inattentive in briefings, and has a short attention span. Apparently, his orders are disobeyed all the time, but he rarely follows up.

I have a feeling the Pentagon slipped it by him when he thought he was signing off on something else. Pathetic, but unsurprising from what we know about the Trump White House.

(This is a bigger version of hiding the USS John McCain, in case Trump saw it and threw a temper tantrum while he was in Japan).
 

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I couldn't help noticing a certain story doing the rounds that Trump got his state department briefings the wrong way around in London and Dublin recently.

Apparently Varadkar, on hearing Trump's rather alarming references to 'your border' had to point out to the President of the US that it was the official Irish government position that there should be no hard border on the island of Ireland post-brexit.

There is quite a deal of amused speculation that Trump may also have gone into a meeting with Theresa May and told her not to worry, that the US government would support her position of having no border on the island of Ireland post-Brexit. Which is an amusing scenario with Arlene Foster probably waiting for an intro in a guest room nearby.
 

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I presume the Americans are carrying out cyberattacks abroad on a regular basis.
 

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I presume the Americans are carrying out cyberattacks abroad on a regular basis.
There was one in 2010 when the Americans and Israelis introduced a virus called Stuxnet to the uranium enrichment centrifuges of the Iranian Nuclear Program. About 1,000 centrifuges were destroyed and the program delayed.

But I would guess those operations are rare - most cyber-attacks are to gather intelligence, and the victim may prefer not to acknowledge the theft of information.

In the case, it seems the operation has inserted code into Russian software that can be activated as required. The Russians will search for it, of course, but it may be hard to find and can be replaced.


That Russia has not paid a price for its interference in the 2016 Election must anger a lot of the US military.
 

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The Mueller report actually confirmed **** all squared. Mueller simply accepted without question what was presented to him which is evidentially problematic. It was within his purview to question, investigate and evaluate the case being made against Russia - this is an area that he avoided.

Take for example the evidence he received on the DNC hack. The FBI did not examine the DNC computers or servers.

They instead relied on the findings of the DNC and Atlantic Council cyber contractor Crowd Strike.

Their report on the DNC hack has been disputed by many specialists including the former NSA technical director Bill Binney.

Binney an expert in this field publicly made himself available to the Mueller probe - an offer which was ignored.

Crowdstrike' s claims of "Russian hacking" have been proved evidentially false before with their derided report on Russian hacking of Ukrainian artillery.
 

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The Mueller report actually confirmed **** all squared. Mueller simply accepted without question what was presented to him which is evidentially problematic. It was within his purview to question, investigate and evaluate the case being made against Russia - this is an area that he avoided.

Take for example the evidence he received on the DNC hack. The FBI did not examine the DNC computers or servers.

They instead relied on the findings of the DNC and Atlantic Council cyber contractor Crowd Strike.

Their report on the DNC hack has been disputed by many specialists including the former NSA technical director Bill Binney.

Binney an expert in this field publicly made himself available to the Mueller probe - an offer which was ignored.

Crowdstrike' s claims of "Russian hacking" have been proved evidentially false before with their derided report on Russian hacking of Ukrainian artillery.
Mueller ran a thorough probe, and will quote again what he said in his conclusions:
... the Special Counsel?s investigation established that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election principally through two operations.
  • First, a Russian entity carried out a social media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J. Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.
  • Second, a Russian intelligence service conducted computer-intrusion operations against entities, employees, and volunteers working on the Clinton Campaign and then released stolen documents.
The Report also confirmed that Russian agents hacked voting machines in Florida, a vital swing state.
Conspiracy theorists will always be "Truthing", or grifting, but it is generally shyte.
 

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Conspiracy theorists will always be "Truthing", or grifting, but it is generally shyte.
In this matter, it is you who is the "conspiracy theorist". You grasp at any anti-Trump story with all the fervor of a true believer. Any negative story about Trump must be, to your mind, true simply because it is a negative story about Trump.
 

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Mueller ran a thorough probe, and will quote again what he said in his conclusions:


Conspiracy theorists will always be "Truthing", or grifting, but it is generally shyte.
The report did not prove the Russia interfered in the US election.

The original Intel assessment published on Jan 6 2016 provided the following disclaimer “not intended to imply that we have proof that shows something to be a fact.”

Mueller simply accepted claims of Russian guilt and echoed them.He then went on to rigourously investigate a number of individuals for process crimes and tax evasion. It is intellectually dishonest to suggest that Mueller evaluated or questioned the evidence in the Russia gate affair which was within his purview.
 

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One drunk electrician now can start WW# only because of Antony Weiner laptop caused Hillary to lose the most winnable elections
 

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The report did not prove the Russia interfered in the US election.

The original Intel assessment published on Jan 6 2016 provided the following disclaimer “not intended to imply that we have proof that shows something to be a fact.”

Mueller simply accepted claims of Russian guilt and echoed them.He then went on to rigourously investigate a number of individuals for process crimes and tax evasion. It is intellectually dishonest to suggest that Mueller evaluated or questioned the evidence in the Russia gate affair which was within his purview.
Total bollocks, this is just playing with semantics.

Trump even had yer man Bill Binney talk to Pompeo when he was at the CIA, and he could not even convince Pompous.

Mueller gives a detailed account of IRA's Operations - you can read the report if you like. Read the contents - there is a complete description of the Russian Intelligence operations in the EU (except for the Florida hack).

II. RUSSIAN SOCIAL MEDIA CAMPAIGN 14
A. Structure Of the Internet Research Agency 15

B. Funding and Oversight from Concord and Prigozhin 16

C. The IRA Targets U.S. Elections 19

1. The IRA Ramps Up U.S. Operations As Early As 2014 19

2. U.S. Operations Through IRA-Controlled Social Media Accounts 22

3. U.S. Operations Through acebOOk 24

4. U.S. Operations Through Twitter 26

a. Individualized Accounts 26

b. IRA Botnet Activities 28

5. U.S. Operations Involving Political Rallies 29

6. Targeting and Recruitment of U.S. Persons 31

7. Interactions and Contacts with the Trump Campaign 33

a. Trump Campaign Promotion of IRA Political Materials 33

b. Contact with Trump Campaign Of?cials in Connection to Rallies 35

RUSSIAN HACKING AND DUMPING OPERATIONS 36
A. GRU Hacking Directed at the Clinton Campaign 36

1. GRU Units Target the Clinton Campaign 36

2. Intrusions into the and DNC Networks 38

a. Initial Access 38

b. Implantation of Malware on and DNC Networks 38

c. Theft of Documents from DNC and Networks 40

B. Dissemination of the Hacked Materials 41

l. DCLeaks 41

2. Guccifer 2.0 42

3. Use of WikiLeaks 44

a. WikiLeaks?S Expressed Opposition Toward the Clinton Campaign 44

b. WikiLeaks?s First Contact with Guccifer 2.0 and DCLeaks 45

Like it or not, Russian is going to get what is coming to it for its interference. Save your posting for that.

You can now post your remarks pretending you have a case ... it will be just namedropping and vacuous assertions like most Truthing & Grifting.
 

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Pompeo did indeed meet Binney - one man in that meeting has integrity, technical accumen and is an expert responsible for designing the surveillance toolkit that the NSA would later abuse.

The other is a ****ing loon. I'd suggest the faith you have in Pompeo as an impartial arbiter is misplaced something you share with Trump
 

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Total bollocks, this is just playing with semantics.

Trump even had yer man Bill Binney talk to Pompeo when he was at the CIA, and he could not even convince Pompous.

Mueller gives a detailed account of IRA's Operations - you can read the report if you like. Read the contents - there is a complete description of the Russian Intelligence operations in the EU (except for the Florida hack).




Like it or not, Russian is going to get what is coming to it for its interference. Save your posting for that.

You can now post your remarks pretending you have a case ... it will be just namedropping and vacuous assertions like most Truthing & Grifting.
Going to get whats coming to it it , is it :rolleyes:
Planning an invasion are you ?
 

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But I would guess those operations are rare - most cyber-attacks are to gather intelligence, and the victim may prefer not to acknowledge the theft of information.

That Russia has not paid a price for its interference in the 2016 Election must anger a lot of the US military.
I suspect the intel ops go on all the time across the world, and in Europe too with Britain’s help. Most individuals involved would not know it had happened.
 


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