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Country in shock as Bertie Ahern promises to give back some of his pension and then decides not to.


Sync

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Ah Bertie. Bertie Bertie Bertie. This is something Charlie would have been proud of.

Bertie in 2010:

Bertie Ahern to surrender ministerial pension - RTÉ News

Former Taoiseach Bertie Ahern is to give up his €83,000 ministerial pension.
Mr Ahern contacted the Department of Finance this afternoon to ask them to 'gift' his pension back to the State.
Mr Ahern's pension is currently the largest payment to a former office holder still in Leinster House.
2012:

"Once the controversy arose I gifted back the entire pension worth €83,000-odd. I gave it up in full once there were calls to do so. But the finance report made no mention of that at all."
2013:

Former Taoiseach Bertie Ahern does U-turn on 'gift' and takes full €150,000 pension - National News - Independent.ie

FORMER Taoiseach Bertie Ahern has been taking his full €150,000 a year pension since he left the Dail, after reversing his decision to give part of it back to the State.

The revelation comes as new figures released under Freedom of Information legislation show that only seven out of 116 former ministers gave up part of their pensions last year, despite the introduction of a simple system to allow them to do so.

None of the Fianna Fail ministers who presided over the economic crash gave up any part of their pensions.
So which is worse?

Being honest and saying "Well I earned this pension lawfully so I'll hang onto it thanks" or saying "Well of course I'll give it back" and then just pocketing it all?

Or is he going to get into the nuanced argument of "Well I only meant that I wouldn't take it while I held my seat, I never meant it to be forever" (Which he totally never stated).
 

flavirostris

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Looks like he's not finished pulling con jobs on the country. Transparent stroke from Ahern - make it look like he's magnanimously gifting his pension back but secretly reversing it later.

Very much in keeping with the act he kept up as Taoiseach, saying one thing in public and doing the exact opposite in private.

He's a money-grubbing little hoor.
 

Disillusioned democrat

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That's put a spring in my step today, knowing that all the tax I'll pay for the year will only make up 30% of that scumbags pension.
 

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The onus is on the government not the "pensioner": it needs to tax it higher or change the pension regime, make it retrospective and see if the recipient sues. (A thread per politician is a nonsense for this site)
 

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The onus is on the government not the "pensioner": it needs to tax it higher or change the pension regime, make it retrospective and see if the recipient sues. (A thread per politician is a nonsense for this site)
Bertie is special. That fncker needs his own "williewatch".
 

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I'm sure the resident FF'ers on here will flock to his defence soon.

Sure it was all Lehmans fault, etc, or whatever else they've deluded themselves into believing, through the distinctive mixture of arrogance, denial and stupidity that characterises the Fianna Failer.

Typical FF sense of entitlement, they're secure in the knowledge they'll always have parochial fucktards and craven media whores to support them (FG/Lab are the exact same of course).
This'll rumble on for a few minutes, and it won't make a blind bit of difference, as the little bastard will still get away with it.

"But fumble in a greasy till
And add the halfpence to the pence
And pray to shivering prayer, until
You have dried the marrow from the bone."
 
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Disillusioned democrat

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The onus is on the government not the "pensioner": it needs to tax it higher or change the pension regime, make it retrospective and see if the recipient sues. (A thread per politician is a nonsense for this site)
Bertie is no ordinary politician - his incompetence and lack of ethics have cost this country dearly and we, tax paying citizens, are paying him a pension almost equivalent to the CURRENT US President...
 

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Can't say what i really think of this guy because i'd be banned, needless to say this is a guy who's biggest regret in government was the non building of the bertie bowl so that tells you all you need to know about. Between himself,Cowen and Kenny we have a run of really poor leaders these last few years.
 

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Patrick Ahern... the quintessential Fianna Failer.

I never could understand why FG and Lab didn't do American style negative campaigning. There is so much dirt on this loose association of crime families you could fill a billboard campaign for months before an election.
 

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Back when he was Taoiseach an FG or Lab TD said of Ahern "Don't listen to what he says.. look at what he does"

Can't remember who it was.

One example is the Casino Project in Dublin West. Ahern assured constituents that he was resolutely opposed to the idea but was privately pushing hard for it.
 

joemac67

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Ah Bertie. Bertie Bertie Bertie. This is something Charlie would have been proud of.

Bertie in 2010:

Bertie Ahern to surrender ministerial pension - RTÉ News



2012:



2013:

Former Taoiseach Bertie Ahern does U-turn on 'gift' and takes full €150,000 pension - National News - Independent.ie



So which is worse?

Being honest and saying "Well I earned this pension lawfully so I'll hang onto it thanks" or saying "Well of course I'll give it back" and then just pocketing it all?

Or is he going to get into the nuanced argument of "Well I only meant that I wouldn't take it while I held my seat, I never meant it to be forever" (Which he totally never stated).
What is the difference between Bertie and John unionist Bruton other than your vested interest of course , Bertie must be dead and is nowhere to be seen while heehaw is on radio at every opportunity telling us '' how austerity has affected us all '' . Both are hypocrites , so it seems are a lot of the fine gael posters here such as yourself .
 

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I think the even bigger story is that the current FF/FG/Lab crowd will do nothing to force them to give back their pensions. It is an outrage, and not one politician will say boo about it.

Pass new legislation and claw back the pensions of those former ministers. They were set at a time when they were artificially inflated and when the budget could afford them. No reason they should be able to keep them, especially with all the revelations about their history which have come to light since then sure.
 

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Patrick Ahern... the quintessential Fianna Failer.

I never could understand why FG and Lab didn't do American style negative campaigning. There is so much dirt on this loose association of crime families you could fill a billboard campaign for months before an election.

Fianna Fáil supporters take it personally if you go negative about their party and its leading lights.
 

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Patrick Ahern... the quintessential Fianna Failer.

I never could understand why FG and Lab didn't do American style negative campaigning. There is so much dirt on this loose association of crime families you could fill a billboard campaign for months before an election.
They need each other to preserve the status quo. A parasitic organism rarely kills its host, mind you it doesn't do it any good either, and the Irish politician displays many of the hallmarks of a parasite.
The aim of politics in this country, and all over the world, has always been to do fuck all and walk out with a state pension for life at the end of it. Helps if you take money off vulnerable elements of society and cut back on essential services as well. The other parasite on this island, i.e. the Catholic Church, has people (well the older ones), convinced the next life will be better and that it's wrong to question one's "betters". Rinse and repeat, decade in, decade out.
 

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Back when he was Taoiseach an FG or Lab TD said of Ahern "Don't listen to what he says.. look at what he does"

Can't remember who it was.

One example is the Casino Project in Dublin West. Ahern assured constituents that he was resolutely opposed to the idea but was privately pushing hard for it.
That's a bit like telling the people that you would not hold a second referendum and telling the american ambassador that you would.
 

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They need each other to preserve the status quo. A parasitic organism rarely kills its host, mind you it doesn't do it any good either, and the Irish politician displays many of the hallmarks of a parasite.
The aim of politics in this country, and all over the world, has always been to do fuck all and walk out with a state pension for life at the end of it. Helps if you take money off vulnerable elements of society and cut back on essential services as well. The other parasite on this island, i.e. the Catholic Church, has people (well the older ones), convinced the next life will be better and that it's wrong to question one's "betters". Rinse and repeat, decade in, decade out.
Depressing but all so true. Seriously though what's he's done is outrageous but the mad thing is nobody is surprised. No doubt we will hear from someone in power today on state radio that it's all legal and above board and the governments hands are tied etc...
 

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I think the even bigger story is that the current FF/FG/Lab crowd will do nothing to force them to give back their pensions. It is an outrage, and not one politician will say boo about it.

Pass new legislation and claw back the pensions of those former ministers. They were set at a time when they were artificially inflated and when the budget could afford them. No reason they should be able to keep them, especially with all the revelations about their history which have come to light since then sure.
Unfortunately the current batch will do nothing as there are a few with their eyes on the brass ring themselves.... they're not going to vote for that particular Christmas.
 
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