Coup d'état in Honduras



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I have no comment on this right now, because I know very little about Honduras. I was having dinner with some Honduran friends last night and they told me about the crisis.. then my neighbour called and told me about the coup.

We pay little heed to Honduras, it seems.
 

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Report here from the Green Left site:
Green Left - Honduras: Coup attempt threatens democracy

President Zelaya recently aligned with Cuba and Venezuela. He has been taken by several hundred troops: is residence is being surrounded by artillery and there are military planes overflying it, according an Al Jazeera report


Green Left - Honduras: Coup attempt threatens democracy

An attempted coup has broken out in Honduras in the lead-up to a referendum scheduled for June 28. The referendum is on whether a further vote should be held to decide to re-write the Central American nation’s constitution.


The coup has threatened to bring down elected President Manuel Zelaya, although mass mobilisations of his supporters have filled the streets to defend the elected government.

Under Zelaya, Honduras has joined the Bolivarian Alliance for the Americas (ALBA), which is led by Cuba and Venezuela. This is a trading and political bloc that seeks to create an alternative to US domination and foster regional integration based on solidarity, not competition. ALBA and the Organisation of American States have both backed Zelaya.
Statement of opposition to the coup from the organisation of the indigenous Indian population:

This action is a desperate response by right-wing forces and their allies to frustrate the people’s will to find a democratic path for national transformation. The reactionary right wing has been desperately trying to block steps towards the creation of a constituent assembly to draw up a new constitution.

This drive toward a coup was planned and carried out through collaboration between the fascist National Congress, the lords of the communication media, the ministry of public safety, the country’s strongest businessmen, and the Armed Forces, who have acted in open defiance of government decisions.

We therefore denounce the army for playing a role similar to that of the 1980s, when it was an agency for destabilisation and repression.

This campaign won support from some sectors of the Evangelical and Catholic hierarchy, who have encouraged, justified, and acted as middlemen for the coup-like actions.

We also denounce the interference and involvement of the US government and its ambassador to Honduras. Told in advance of these actions, they quit the country, and called on the World Bank and International Monetary Fund, and other institutions under their influence to do the same.

This clearly shows their complicity with the pro-coup forces.

We call on the ranks of COPINH and the Honduran people as a whole, whether or not they are organised, to mobilise in their communities, villages, or cities, to express their defiance and indignation. We call on them not to be intimidated by the terrorist media campaign unleashed against the people’s desire for a new country with justice and equity.

We call on the international community to speak out decisively against this attack on the Honduran people, and to express its solidarity with the people and support for their human rights.

We call for intensification of the organised struggle to establish a constituent assembly now, at this historic juncture for our homeland.

COPINH recognises Zelaya as the only constitutional president of the republic and rejects any “substitute” imposed by imperialist power.

With the power of our ancestors, we raise our voices for life, justice, dignity, liberty and peace.
Al Jazeera is showing troops threatening photographers and film crews outside the armed forces central command. There are people on the streets outside the Presidential Palace raging angry.

After years of military dictatorship, the Referendum was going to offer a democratised Constitution. Zelaya had moved to the left to favour the poor (75% of the population) and had sacked the head of the army. The Supreme Court had aligned with the army and said the Referendum was illegal and some in his own party were also opposed. Soldiers are going around burning the ballot papers.



It is a re-run of Venezuela - when Chavez was arrested.

******************************g ******************************g ******************************g Obama.
 
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It's more complicated than "US Involvement". He was attempting to get a referendum on a change to the constitution which would allow him run a second term. The legislature created laws to prevent this and the Army worked to those laws. The President was recently forced to bring back some fella he had sacked, by the courts but he refused to comply and so we have a coup.

That's what I learnt of the situation a few days ago so It's hard to tell exactly who is right and wrong here.
 

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well that greenleft article makes it all about writing a new constitution rather then about him extending his term which is what we've heard in the media.

i guess it was both,

these guys really need to learn how to find replacements who will continue their work.
 
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Didn't Bertie go here around six months ago to tell them how they should run their economy? An unlucky country in recent times, it seems.
 

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The man was elected as a Bush baby but ate from the hands of Mr Tayto. Good Riddance I say.
 

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well that greenleft article makes it all about writing a new constitution rather hen about him extending his term which is what we've herd in the media.

i guess it was both,

these guys really need to learn how to find replacements who continue their work.
Yes: it was both. I don't think extending his term beyond five years could have been much of an issue. Most Presidencies allow for a ten year term or longer. Our President is serving a second, unelected, term after all. The military dictators like Pinochet have had fairly extended terms.

This is a very good point about succession though. We shouldn't rely on populist demagogues to deliver redistribution of wealth.
 
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Thanks for that

I was having dinner with some Honduran friends last night and they told me about the crisis.. then my neighbour called and told me about the coup.
Classic ! :lol:

It reminds me of the the time when I was having a couple of Eskimo friends over for lunch in Late March of '89 when the phone rang and it was none other than the captain of the Exxon Valdez with some shocking news.
 

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Classic ! :lol:

It reminds me of the the time when I was having a couple of Eskimo friends over for lunch in Late March of '89 when the phone rang and it was none other than the captain of the Exxon Valdez with some shocking news.
That's nothing.

I was coming out of the mosque in Dublin on Friday when my cell phone rang.

It was Ahmeenijad of Iran. He wanted to know did I have any tips for the Irish Derby.
 

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I have no comment on this right now, because I know very little about Honduras. I was having dinner with some Honduran friends last night and they told me about the crisis.. then my neighbour called and told me about the coup.

We pay little heed to Honduras, it seems.
I also have no comment on this right now.
 
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Less of the p*ss taking, lads, What I was getting at is that I wouldn't have really had a clue that all this was happening if it weren't for my friends from Honduras. I'm really not well versed in Latin American affairs...
 

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Classic ! :lol:

It reminds me of the the time when I was having a couple of Eskimo friends over for lunch in Late March of '89 when the phone rang and it was none other than the captain of the Exxon Valdez with some shocking news.
Nice one! Asi always "knows" someone. Expect the hysterical left to be over this like a rash.
 

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I have just had Obama on the phone. He wants me to arrange a piss up with himself Bibi Nethanyahu, Abbas and a few others in Moneygall.
 

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Expect the hysterical left to be over this like a rash.
yeah , typical pinkoes . Who in their right mind would be annoyed at a right wing military junta coup in latin america .
I find it ironic too that someone so outrageously right wing and attention seeking as yourself can accuse anyone else of being hysterical .
I have just had Obama on the phone. He wants me to arrange a piss up with himself Bibi Nethanyahu, Abbas and a few others in Moneygall.
it was actually funny when the other guy did it , alas thats just ..sad
 

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yeah , typical pinkoes . Who in their right mind would be annoyed at a right wing military junta coup in latin america .
I find it ironic too that someone so outrageously right wing and attention seeking as yourself can accuse anyone else of being hysterical .
You mean a Presidwent who was voted in on a non-renewable 4 year term now wnats to over turn it. He is trying to do what Chavez did but the army aren't going to let him. It seems the armed forces are sticking up for the constitution.
 

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You mean a Presidwent who was voted in on a non-renewable 4 year term now wnats to over turn it. He is trying to do what Chavez did but the army aren't going to let him. It seems the armed forces are sticking up for the constitution.
How long is Mary McAleese's term ? How long was Bush in power?

People were to have had a vote on this: you post makes it sound like a Presidential decree. The army spent the day burning ballot papers.

I suppose some people would like the army to step in here and take over to stop the second vote on the referendum on Lisbon.
 

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You mean a Presidwent who was voted in on a non-renewable 4 year term now wnats to over turn it. He is trying to do what Chavez did but the army aren't going to let him. It seems the armed forces are sticking up for the constitution.
a president who wants to have a referendum on constitutional amendments...whats wrong with that ? Honduran sovereignty is in no way impacted upon by the removal of presidential term limits or their amendment .
It seems the Honduran armed forces are actively enaged in treason against their own nation.
 


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