Coveney piles pressure on British with demand to move border to Irish Sea

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It sounds very clever when asking the British to provide a Custom service 12 miles from the East Coast, i.e on the British Mainland for Goods and Services, but have they thought about what might be re directed here or stopped or delayed from coming here if the British Navy are deployed 12 miles from the new Irish Border?

Has Coveney thought about the British Navy deploying 12 miles from the West or South Coast or how North bound Sea and Air Traffic might be affected?

There are clever people in all countries.

Coveney and his advisors are not them. He is the eejit that was responsible for FGs Big Idea that involved privatising Irelands Water Services.

The posh Coveneys of Cork grew up sailing on Irish Waters. They must always have dreamed of owning it.

They probably imagined it in the hands of Greencore.
 


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Britain needs us to get any sort of Brexit deal. We are also their most obvious ally in acquiring that Brexit deal.

Britain needs to keep us sweet at this particular moment.
It's an ever evolving situation complicated by the DUP having the Tories over a barrel.
 
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As with most piles, I suspect the UK isn't sh1tting itself
There's a little too much of a tendency to mutter comforting nothings to themselves about trade deals they're going to sign ANY DAY NOW with Brazil, India etc. If anyone tries to point out the difficulties, they're shouted down by the right-wing media for being "remoaners" and for talking Britain down.

Right wing politicians have been indulging this stuff too but they'll be fine and cosy with their pensions and home county mansions when the s**t hits the fan.
 

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I've only got the front page of tomorrow's Irish edition of The Times. It's the lead story for the UK edition too.

Simon Coveney is putting pressure on London saying that all this talk about an electronic border isn't going to work and would simply encourage smuggling. Since Theresa May is hell bent on leaving the customs union, Coveney is saying that a far more workable solution would be for the Irish Sea to become the de facto border.

The British are reportedly "stunned" by the change of tone from Dublin.

There would want to be some serious security put in place at all sea ports and investment in properly patrolling our seas. It is awful lax security when hopping on the ferry compared with the airports.
 

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It's an ever evolving situation complicated by the DUP having the Torres over a barrel.
Fernando? :shock:

(I've always suspected that the Doopers were raging closet cases.)
 

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There would want to be some serious security put in place at all sea ports and investment in properly patrolling our seas. It is awful lax security when hopping on the ferry compared with the airports.
That would be a pittance compared to the infrastructure needed to police a 500km border.
 

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That would be a pittance compared to the infrastructure needed to police a 500km border.
Never mind the sheer utter panic when the first border post gets blown up.
 

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Never mind the sheer utter panic when the first border post gets blown up.
the fact is it would be impossible to have an actual hard border in Ireland without a massive ramp up of military and police. the most logical thing is a border check in Larne and Belfast and for the unionists to suck it up.
unfortunately this is the north we are talking about so they will gladly stab themselves in the eye before giving an inch.
 

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the fact is it would be impossible to have an actual hard border in Ireland without a massive ramp up of military and police. the most logical thing is a border check in Larne and Belfast and for the unionists to suck it up.
unfortunately this is the north we are talking about so they will gladly stab themselves in the eye before giving an inch.
I don`t think the DUP will have a say in the matter. We also know how cheaply they can be bought off.
 

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Has Coveney thought about the British Navy deploying 12 miles from the West or South Coast or how North bound Sea and Air Traffic might be affected?
What is this supposed to mean? Do you foresee the UK blockading Ireland after Brexit?

There's rules against that kind of thing. Is the new 'global Britain' going to revert to piracy like in the Elizabethan Era? I thought they only wanted to go back to the early 1950's not the 1550's.
 

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ireland should tell brussels where they can shove it, join da Brits in escaping the dying animal that is the EU.

Iceland, Switzerland, Norway , Croatia etc are all doing just fine without the EU.

very many countries within the EU are now an economic/legal/social mess.
Eh, I think Croatia is in the EU now.
 
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I've only got the front page of tomorrow's Irish edition of The Times. It's the lead story for the UK edition too.

Simon Coveney is putting pressure on London saying that all this talk about an electronic border isn't going to work and would simply encourage smuggling. Since Theresa May is hell bent on leaving the customs union, Coveney is saying that a far more workable solution would be for the Irish Sea to become the de facto border.

The British are reportedly "stunned" by the change of tone from Dublin.

Hmmm...

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Bezos in the main pic: I sell whatever the fučk I want!
 
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The principle of the agreement in that the people of the north have the right to decide the future of the north. If the DUP object to a sea border then it should be put to a referendum in the north. Let's see if they want to swap the blue skies of the EU for the grey mists of Brexit.
If Jon Snow shags Daenerys, then the people of the North will be at one with those of the South, and the Seven Kingdoms will be united.
 
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the fact is it would be impossible to have an actual hard border in Ireland without a massive ramp up of military and police. the most logical thing is a border check in Larne and Belfast and for the unionists to suck it up.
unfortunately this is the north we are talking about so they will gladly stab themselves in the eye before giving an inch.
Ah yes....Ruprecht.

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It sounds very clever when asking the British to provide a Custom service 12 miles from the East Coast, i.e on the British Mainland for Goods and Services, but have they thought about what might be re directed here or stopped or delayed from coming here if the British Navy are deployed 12 miles from the new Irish Border?

Has Coveney thought about the British Navy deploying 12 miles from the West or South Coast or how North bound Sea and Air Traffic might be affected?

There are clever people in all countries.

Coveney and his advisors are not them. He is the eejit that was responsible for FGs Big Idea that involved privatising Irelands Water Services.

The posh Coveneys of Cork grew up sailing on Irish Waters. They must always have dreamed of owning it.

They probably imagined it in the hands of Greencore.
Not very coherent. Rattled?

The suggestion (having all the inspections of trucks etc) in Larne and Stranraer instead of trying to reimpose a land border is a sensible one.
 

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Is this for real?

If so it can only be viewed as a major boost to a UI discussion.
Or at the very least a weakening of the union.

The problems for the Republic with an NI Brexit must be coming clearer to the powers that be.

Once the Chlorinated Chickens come home to roost in NI the EU will slap a ban on all produce from the island - or at least make the checks so onerous as to be disastrous for Irish agricultural exporters. It's the only way to guarantee the EU standards are followed once the UK opens up to other food standards.

The present situation, with both Ireland and UK as equal members of the EU in a shared sovereignty arrangement, delivered seamless and friction free borders within the EU, and on the island of Ireland. In the post Brexit world, Ireland like other members of the EU will have a marine border with UK and uniquely, Ireland will also have a land border. For reasons of basic practicality, a marine border is the only viable solution to an EU border on the island of Ireland.

IMO an agreement to marine based EU border for the island of Ireland is an EU UK shared responsibility that does not change the legal status of Northern Ireland. The location of the new EU UK border, a challenge created by UK decision to leave the EU, is sovereignty neutral as far as ROI is concerned.
 

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Ireland 'demanding sea border with UK after Brexit'

Theresa May is facing tough new demands by the Irish government that could see the Irish Sea become the country's post-Brexit border with the UK, according to reports.

New Taoiseach Leo Varadkar is said to be unconvinced by the British Government's plans to introduce a hi-tech land border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland after Brexit.

Ministers had proposed using things measures like surveillance cameras to allow free movement between the north and south of the island.

Ireland 'demanding sea border with UK after Brexit' | The Independent

It would be best for the economy but the DUP will go nuts.
 

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A hard Border would be the best outcome from a Republican perspective

It would show up the Sham about the Border that was in the GFA

- it hasn't gone away you know....
 


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