Crazed Minister Hacks at Corpse of Irish Economy

GreenIsGood

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Eamonn Ryan has announced plans

..to produce 10 times our existing electricity demand without significant environmental effect.
How? Force consumers to subsidise offshore wind power at 14c/kWh - 2 or 3 times wholesale electricity prices.

Blueprint for offshore energy published | Eamon Ryan

A letter in the IT correctly states that:

Eventually the price guarantees being given to wind farm operators will come to be seen as every bit as damaging to the economy as the Government’s bank guarantee.
Plans for offshore energy - The Irish Times - Thu, Nov 11, 2010

Ryan wants permanently inflated electricity prices, to pay for 100Bn euros of rusting junk in the North Atlantic. Our economy has collapsed due to reckless financial illiteracy, tunnel vision and incompetence. These people are mad and need to be removed from office.
 


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The dope can't even employ someone with the ability to use spellcheck.The hacking at a corpse analogy is spot on he has the dead eyes of a zombie or in his case zealot.

My Department is working to maximise this potential. Our recovery will be based on exports. Our capacity to produce this green electricity gives us major export potential. We are working with Scotland and Northern Ireland on the ISLES project to develop interconnection with these close neighbours. Working is advancing with 9 countries across Europe on the North Seas initiative to develop a ‘supergrid’ to trade this renewable power. At the end of this month I will travel to London to meet Secretary Huhne to work out a trading agreement with the United Kingdom on renewable energy.
 

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Eamonn Ryan has announced plans



How? Force consumers to subsidise offshore wind power at 14c/kWh - 2 or 3 times wholesale electricity prices.

Blueprint for offshore energy published | Eamon Ryan

A letter in the IT correctly states that:



Plans for offshore energy - The Irish Times - Thu, Nov 11, 2010

Ryan wants permanently inflated electricity prices, to pay for 100Bn euros of rusting junk in the North Atlantic. Our economy has collapsed due to reckless financial illiteracy, tunnel vision and incompetence. These people are mad and need to be removed from office.
You dont work for the ESB by any chance?
 

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You can't argue with fanatics. Reality is expendable to them, and even though they represent just 4% of the population, their interests are a long way ahead to the best interests of non believers.
 

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You can't argue with fanatics. Reality is expendable to them, and even though they represent just 4% of the population, their interests are a long way ahead to the best interests of non believers.
Indeed, the PD's destroyed our little nation and wouldn't let anyone argue with them...
 

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Indeed, the PD's destroyed our little nation and wouldn't let anyone argue with them...
Whatcha talkin 'bout Willis?!

Is this the light touch regulation argument? Puuuuleeez.
 

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Can I nominate this thread for the

"P.ie Best Thread Title of 2010"

award please?
 

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How? Force consumers to subsidise offshore wind power at 14c/kWh - 2 or 3 times wholesale electricity prices.
Lets be accurate, here are the factory gate prices of Irish electricity on the 9th of Nov.



You can see it ranges from just under 3c a unit to over €26 a unit over the course of the day. Add in capacity charges etc and the average price hovers around 11c a unit at the moment
 

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Can I nominate this thread for the

"P.ie Best Thread Title of 2010"

award please?
Certainly would be true if it where in reference to Brian Lenihan
 

LeDroit

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What about all those property based tax incentives?
We never got invited to the Galway Tent. I think you know who was behind that. ;)
 

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If we're going to be producing 10 times our energy demand then why are we going to start buying energy from the UK? that is why we built that massive electricity connection to the UK in north Dublin right?
 

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If we're going to be producing 10 times our energy demand then why are we going to start buying energy from the UK? that is why we built that massive electricity connection to the UK in north Dublin right?
Would that not also facilitate purchase in the other direction if and when this scheme was realised?
 

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We never got invited to the Galway Tent. I think you know who was behind that. ;)
Look, as you say, you can't argue with fanatics. You're going to run around this site making up excuses for the PDs and say it's not their fault, while simultaneously criticising every FF apologist on this forum.
 

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Unfortunately, windpower isn't an on-demand technology. You can only produce wind energy when the wind is blowing, so on a nice, calm, still day you need alternatives, hence the huge interconnectors to the UK and hence the construction of new, more efficient, natural gas turbine combined cycle stations e.g. at Aghada in Cork and at Poolbeg in Dublin.

Electricity can't really be stored, other than in pumped-storage facilities. We have one of these, Turlough Hill, [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turlough_Hill"]Turlough Hill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:Turlough_Hill.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2f/Turlough_Hill.jpg/380px-Turlough_Hill.jpg"@@AMEPARAM@@commons/thumb/2/2f/Turlough_Hill.jpg/380px-Turlough_Hill.jpg[/ame] which was built in the late 1960s and early 1970s.

To compensate for wind power's ups and downs, you need a lot more than just a few pumped-storage facilities, you basically need to be able to almost 100% duplicate the wind-power generation facilities output with other alternatives. If you don't, you would only have the lights on when the wind is blowing!

I really don't think the Greens care about the impact of extra charges on the economy. They are a one trick pony and they will put the environment before quality of life or the viability of Ireland as a nation.

Sustainability is most definitely an important objective, but we need to get things into perspective too. We cannot do anything that is going to increase costs across the economy, so if wind power is going ahead we need to look at some other ways of funding it or at least at reducing the operating costs somehow.

E.g. look at large-scale off shore farms (at or beyond the horizon) rather than endless piddly little on-shore farms which are both unsightly and difficult to connect to the grid (due to lack of wires in remote windy areas)
 

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Look, as you say, you can't argue with fanatics. You're going to run around this site making up excuses for the PDs and say it's not their fault, while simultaneously criticising every FF apologist on this forum.
I'll take responsibility when you point out something that was PD policy. Construction based tax reliefs were not PD policy. Neither was profligate benchmarking. They were FF. PD TDs voted them through but they were not our policy. Our policy were low taxes which gave us the most FDI of any country in Europe, full employment, the second highest standard of living of any European country and a can-do attitude across all social classes. Blame us for that if you like, I know Labour certainly hate empowering individuals, preferring that they are state slaves so you can control them. Socialism has utterly failed and yet you guys keep pushing it- talk about zealots.
 

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Was a two tier health system part of PD policy

I'll take responsibility when you point out something that was PD policy. Construction based tax reliefs were not PD policy. Neither was profligate benchmarking. They were FF. PD TDs voted them through but they were not our policy. Our policy were low taxes which gave us the most FDI of any country in Europe, full employment, the second highest standard of living of any European country and a can-do attitude across all social classes. Blame us for that if you like, I know Labour certainly hate empowering individuals, preferring that they are state slaves so you can control them. Socialism has utterly failed and yet you guys keep pushing it- talk about zealots.
Talk about rewriting history, was co -location a PD policy. Giving land on public hospitals for the building of privately run hospitals is the same as offering tax incentives to the construction and private health sector.
The PD's have been a major part of the destruction of the economy of this country, and are every bit as bad as FF. Some little qoutes to jog your memory.
Tom Parlon: "Welcome to Parlon country". FAS offices in Birr which have never been occupied.
Harney. "We need 40,000 migrant workers per year to keep our economy going" When the construction sector was stagnating, they figured that they could keep building houses for the cheap labour that was coming into this country to build those same houses..
While FF are the major architects for the wrecking of our economy they were ably assisted by Harney and Co.
Now we have FF and the looney greens, not to mention corrupt Lowery and of course JHW.
Jesus wept.
 

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I'll take responsibility when you point out something that was PD policy. Construction based tax reliefs were not PD policy. Neither was profligate benchmarking. They were FF. PD TDs voted them through but they were not our policy. Our policy were low taxes which gave us the most FDI of any country in Europe, full employment, the second highest standard of living of any European country and a can-do attitude across all social classes. Blame us for that if you like, I know Labour certainly hate empowering individuals, preferring that they are state slaves so you can control them. Socialism has utterly failed and yet you guys keep pushing it- talk about zealots.
The party which gave us a target for red emulsion paint and omelette ingredients has a lot to answer for! The aforementioned is a disgrace to anyone who is ill or suffering and in need of hospital treatment!
 

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Talk about rewriting history, was co -location a PD policy. Giving land on public hospitals for the building of privately run hospitals is the same as offering tax incentives to the construction and private health sector.
Co location never happened. Name a hospital that currently has a co located private hospital.

The PD's have been a major part of the destruction of the economy of this country, and are every bit as bad as FF. Some little qoutes to jog your memory.
Tom Parlon: "Welcome to Parlon country". FAS offices in Birr which have never been occupied.
Harney. "We need 40,000 migrant workers per year to keep our economy going" When the construction sector was stagnating, they figured that they could keep building houses for the cheap labour that was coming into this country to build those same houses..
Eh, those quotes reflected the reality at the time. Are you seriously trying to claim supremacy in the argument because you have 20:20 Hindsight?

While FF are the major architects for the wrecking of our economy they were ably assisted by Harney and Co.
Now we have FF and the looney greens, not to mention corrupt Lowery and of course JHW.
Jesus wept.
Nonsense. We have two major problems:
1. Ongoing Budget deficit because FF's benchmarking has overpaid our PS and because FF policies over inflated the property bubble.
2. Massive National Debt/Zero Borrowing Power because FF bailed out private banks and German bondholders.
 

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The party which gave us a target for red emulsion paint and omelette ingredients has a lot to answer for! The aforementioned is a disgrace to anyone who is ill or suffering and in need of hospital treatment!
Have a chat with the unions on that one.

1. 70% of health spend is on trade union members wages. We spend 25% of ALL govt spend on health. Money is not the problem.
2. All attempts to reform delivery of service has been opposed by unions, the IMO throughout the consultants contract negotiations and Jack's lads throughout benchmarking.
 


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