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Creche Concerns.


gatsbygirl20

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Following the Garda probe into staff behaviour at three creches in the Dublin area, concern is now being expressed about the regularity and rigour of HSE creche inspections, and also the fact that whereas nursing home and school inspection reports are published by the DES and the HSE, creche inspection reports must be obtained under FOI

Parents left in the dark over findings of inspections into childcare facilities - Independent.ie


Recent reports have also commented on the short or inadequate training of some childcare personnel.

The recent Garda probe comes on foot of an RTE programme --not yet broadcast--which involved a reporter posing as a care worker with hidden cameras in creches in Dublin

How well informed are parents of what is really happening in their child's creche?
 

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I'm so glad our crèche days are over. It was bloody awful and stupid expensive to boot.

On one particular day I took time off work so that I could spy on the crèche person collecting one of the kids, just to be sure they were on time and whatnot. I sat in the car across the road. Anyway, all was well so maybe I was uber paranoid. But it did make me feel better..

Anyway, if these kids are very young, under about 4 or 5, they can't really communicate to their parents what goes on in crèche..
 
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I'm so glad our crèche days are over. It was bloody awful and stupid expensive to boot.

On one particular day I took time off work so that I could spy on the crèche person collecting one of the kids, just to be sure they were on time and whatnot. I sat in the car across the road. Anyway, all was well so maybe I was uber paranoid. But it did make me feel better..

Anyway, if these kids are very young, under about 4 or 5, they can't really communicate to their parents what goes on in crèche..
We had a neighboring woman mind the kids in her home - they were crazy about her and she about them and we and other parents all became very good friends with her and her family. And this was common in the area. What I don't understand, particularly in the middle of a deep recession, is why more women are not setting up in this kind of work. The crèches are a total rip-off and they could compete very effectively with them, both in terms of price and the quality of child-minding.
 

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Crocodile tears from Michael Martin, who over saw the neglect of the health of everychild in this state and FF came up with the idea of building a hospital on the north circular roads gridlock.
 

gatsbygirl20

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I'm so glad our crèche days are over. It was bloody awful and stupid expensive to boot.

On one particular day I took time off work so that I could spy on the crèche person collecting one of the kids, just to be sure they were on time and whatnot. I sat in the car across the road. Anyway, all was well so maybe I was uber paranoid. But it did make me feel better..

Anyway, if these kids are very young, under about 4 or 5, they can't really communicate to their parents what goes on in crèche..

My experience of them--apart from the terrible expense--was very positive

But parents have very high expectations now.

This pre-school year--part funded by the taxpayer--is not going too well either. Poor quality tuition...poor staff training...Quality issues found in preschool tuition - Education News | Primary, Secondary & Third Level | The Irish Time - Mon, May 20, 2013

Are we asking too much of creches, really? Asking them to substitute for parents, and more recently, for schools?

Btw,I think parents should have access to creche inspection reports on the HSE website--as they have to school inspection reports on the DES website--without having to go through FOI
 

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We had a neighboring woman mind the kids in her home - they were crazy about her and she about them and we and other parents all became very good friends with her and her family. And this was common in the area. What I don't understand, particularly in the middle of a deep recession, is why more women are not setting up in this kind of work. The crèches are a total rip-off and they could compete very effectively with them, both in terms of price and the quality of child-minding.
I'm not sure that its legal for someone to simply take the children. I believe in England there are all sorts of rules and regulations that have to be agreed starting with CRB the equivalent of Garda Vetting.
 
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I'm not sure that its legal for someone to simply take the children. I believe in England there are all sorts of rules and regulations that have to be agreed starting with CRB the equivalent of Garda Vetting.
I'm sure there are a few hoops they would have to jump through that didn't apply or were just ignored in the past. I just know that if we were starting again we would be looking for the same arrangement again, and not a crèche.
 

gatsbygirl20

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Thank you GatsbyGirl for highlighting yet another awful failure by the HSE.
Ah, Mercedes, there was I thinking you were going to be posting how if only childcare was privatised, costs would come down and it would all be "fit for purpose" because of the natural competition of the unfettered market---unlike those "protected" services that are run by the state.....oh, wait...:)

The HSE have not covered themselves in glory here--but they do inspect.....

How often should they inspect..? And should parents not have immediate access to these reports?

Most creches probably do a great job, but if parents cannot get access to information, inevitably they will worry
 

drummed

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Well put Astral Peaks in a different one then if your so concerned.
 

gatsbygirl20

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I'm sure there are a few hoops they would have to jump through that didn't apply or were just ignored in the past. I just know that if we were starting again we would be looking for the same arrangement again, and not a crèche.
We had our first child minded by a local woman--great experience ,but her "ordinary" small house--dog-hairs on furniture--would not pass today's HSE inspection...

Dashing out,but will re-join discussion later
 
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We had our first child minded by a local woman--great experience ,but her "ordinary" small house--dog-hairs on furniture--would not pass today's HSE inspection...

Dashing out,but will re-join discussion later
And what harm did a few dog hairs ever do a child?:D
 

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Ah, Mercedes, there was I thinking you were going to be posting how if only childcare was privatised, costs would come down and it would all be "fit for purpose" because of the natural competition of the unfettered market---unlike those "protected" services that are run by the state.....oh, wait...:)

The HSE have not covered themselves in glory here--but they do inspect.....

How often should they inspect..? And should parents not have immediate access to these reports?

Most creches probably do a great job, but if parents cannot get access to information, inevitably they will worry
I think Creche's in Ireland are just as much a racket as Nursing Homes. I can't figure out how the costs for either remain so high. Actually with nursing homes, I do. They have so many residents who have no money, or whose house can't be sold, that they rely on the paying residents to pay all the bills. But the high creche fees are still a mystery to me.
 
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Dylan2010

we used a mother and daughter team that looked after about 5 kids in their home. Idyllic would be an understatement , wouldn't have been comfortable with a "baby farm"
 

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Thank you GatsbyGirl for highlighting yet another awful failure by the HSE.
But they are private crèches. Do you suggest the HSE need to have someone in every crèche as a private company can't be trusted to not abuse children?
 

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But they are private crèches. Do you suggest the HSE need to have someone in every crèche as a private company can't be trusted to not abuse children?
No one can be trusted not to abuse children. That's why we rely on inspections.
 

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No one can be trusted not to abuse children. That's why we rely on inspections.
I can be trusted not to abuse children.

How do you imagine inspections would have prevented this verbal abuse of children? Do you think when the HSE man arrives that the behaviour of the crèche workers would be affected? I suppose there was An element of trust that the management might prevent that from happening. This didn't happen. Increased inspections might not make much difference unless cameras are added in.
 

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And what harm did a few dog hairs ever do a child?:D
You're spot on. How times change.

One of my parents' favourite photos of me at age one, is me curled up with the child-minders' golden Labrador in her bed... I apparently was teething, grumpy as hell, running a mild fever and hadn't slept properly in days. When the child minder found me conked out with the family pet, her instinct was to let me be and to take a photo for the 'awwww' factor.

I'm not saying that everything done in the good old days was right - I also regularly had the living daylights beaten out of me by a teacher when I was eight - but I think that the obsession with Health and Safety has gone to far when a crèche is deemed the only appropriate place for children to be cared for when both parents must work. However, regardless of the care provider, I'd be angry if anyone trusted to do so failed to provide the proper care and love for a child trusted to him or her.

*scratches behind ear with back paw*
 

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I can be trusted not to abuse children.
When it comes to minding children, I think there has to be an assumption that nobody alone can be trusted, So it requires a system of checks and balances. Whether that be additional minders, cameras, and external inspections. They also protect the minders from unsubstantiated allegations.
 
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