Crime and Punishment

McSlaggart

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Crime

The best and most effective way of dealing with crime is making sure people have a good start in life. We need to refocus our efforts on improving the quality of life for everyone.

The current trend is that wealth and jobs are moving into fewer and fewer hands so its in everyone's best interest to ensure what wealth created is shared rather than held by the few.

"“We can’t all be knowledge workers,” says Dan Collier, chief executive of Elevate. “So there will be a lot of unemployment – and perhaps no impetus to help these people."​

Punishment

The current system of punishment is not working. Prisons are nothing but training camps for crime and places to learn about drugs.

Personally I would ship a lot of them of to the uninhabited Islands and make the feckers farm for their food.
 


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Freddie Gray Arrest Record

March 20, 2015: Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance

March 13, 2015: Malicious destruction of property, second-degree assault

January 20, 2015: Fourth-degree burglary, trespassing

January 14, 2015: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute

December 31, 2014: Possession of narcotics with intent to distribute

December 14, 2014: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance

August 31, 2014: Illegal gambling, trespassing

January 25, 2014: Possession of marijuana

September 28, 2013: Distribution of narcotics, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, second-degree assault, second-degree escape

April 13, 2012: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, violation of probation

July 16, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession with intent to distribute

March 28, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance

March 14, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to manufacture and distribute

February 11, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance

August 29, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, violation of probation

August 28, 2007: Possession of marijuana

August 23, 2007: False statement to a peace officer, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance

July 16, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
 

Jack O Neill

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Freddie Gray Arrest Record

March 20, 2015: Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance

March 13, 2015: Malicious destruction of property, second-degree assault

January 20, 2015: Fourth-degree burglary, trespassing

January 14, 2015: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute

December 31, 2014: Possession of narcotics with intent to distribute

December 14, 2014: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance

August 31, 2014: Illegal gambling, trespassing

January 25, 2014: Possession of marijuana

September 28, 2013: Distribution of narcotics, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, second-degree assault, second-degree escape

April 13, 2012: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, violation of probation

July 16, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession with intent to distribute

March 28, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance

March 14, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to manufacture and distribute

February 11, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance

August 29, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, violation of probation

August 28, 2007: Possession of marijuana

August 23, 2007: False statement to a peace officer, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance

July 16, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
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McSlaggart

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Freddie Gray Arrest Record
I do not know the man but society needs to take action to both help people like him and to take him out of the lifestyle that he has. Prison is not the answer so we need much more radical fresh thinking.
 

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Freddie Gray Arrest Record

March 20, 2015: Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance

March 13, 2015: Malicious destruction of property, second-degree assault

January 20, 2015: Fourth-degree burglary, trespassing

January 14, 2015: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute

December 31, 2014: Possession of narcotics with intent to distribute

December 14, 2014: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance

August 31, 2014: Illegal gambling, trespassing

January 25, 2014: Possession of marijuana

September 28, 2013: Distribution of narcotics, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, second-degree assault, second-degree escape

April 13, 2012: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, violation of probation

July 16, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession with intent to distribute

March 28, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance

March 14, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to manufacture and distribute

February 11, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance

August 29, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, violation of probation

August 28, 2007: Possession of marijuana

August 23, 2007: False statement to a peace officer, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance

July 16, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
I've highlighted the potential offences that aren't drug related. Take drugs out of the equation and he's practically a model citizen.

There's also the minor point that an arrest record can be very, very different from a conviction record.
 

Paddyc

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I do not know the man but society needs to take action to both help people like him and to take him out of the lifestyle that he has. Prison is not the answer so we need much more radical fresh thinking.
Freddie Gray died in custody so he has been taken "out of the lifestyle that he has".

I'm not sure where Listowel Man is going with this, but then I'm never sure where Listowel Man is going with any of his posts.
 

Hans Von Horn

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Crime

The best and most effective way of dealing with crime is making sure people have a good start in life. We need to refocus our efforts on improving the quality of life for everyone.

The current trend is that wealth and jobs are moving into fewer and fewer hands so its in everyone's best interest to ensure what wealth created is shared rather than held by the few.

"“We can’t all be knowledge workers,” says Dan Collier, chief executive of Elevate. “So there will be a lot of unemployment – and perhaps no impetus to help these people."​

Punishment

The current system of punishment is not working. Prisons are nothing but training camps for crime and places to learn about drugs.

Personally I would ship a lot of them of to the uninhabited Islands and make the feckers farm for their food.
It's in the genes. Give them lots of free stuff and they will just aspire to stealing more.

Punishment certainly deters. Reduce the punishment and we will have even more crime. We need perpetual imprisonment for repeat offenders if their rehabilitation cannot be secured.

Grant release on licence and remission in return for sterilisation.
 

Hans Von Horn

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I have been in parts of Northern Europe in which crime hardly exists. They have the same genes as us.
No we don't have the same genes. Some communities removed criminal genes by the use of the most extreme for of punishment. Other gene strains remain and have evolved after cross breeding with various lawyer subspecies to avoid convictions and punishment by practising crimes that are difficult to detect and difficult to secure convictions on.
 
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Freddie Gray died in custody so he has been taken "out of the lifestyle that he has".

I'm not sure where Listowel Man is going with this, but then I'm never sure where Listowel Man is going with any of his posts.
The record of convictions is punctured enough to indicate various sojourns in prison.
 

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The record of convictions is punctured enough to indicate various sojourns in prison.
It's an arrest record, not a convictions record.

He had done time for drug possession all right. In February 2009, he was sentenced to four years in prison for two counts of drug possession with intent to deliver and was paroled in 2011. In 2012, he was arrested for violating parole but was not sent back to prison. In 2013, he returned to jail for a month before being released
 

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No we don't have the same genes. Some communities removed criminal genes by the use of the most extreme for of punishment. Other gene strains remain and have evolved after cross breeding with various lawyer subspecies to avoid convictions and punishment by practising crimes that are difficult to detect and difficult to secure convictions on.
Aaaa the old criminal genes? Do you know which ones they are?
 

McSlaggart

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Freddie Gray died in custody so he has been taken "out of the lifestyle that he has".
Custody/prisons are only holding patterns and we need much better methods of dealing with the law and "crime".
 

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Custody/prisons are only holding patterns and we need much better methods of dealing with the law and "crime".
What do you suggest for these two sweethearts ?

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0725/892850-michael-cash-eva-sutton/

She awoke and for the next hour and a half she was beaten and kicked in the head and chest.

In spite of her pleading with the men to stop, they dragged her by the hair from one room to another before tying her up with her dog's lead.

The elderly woman who lived alone suffered seven broken ribs, a punctured lung, and cuts and scars to her body and face which required stitches.
 

Hans Von Horn

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Custody/prisons are only holding patterns and we need much better methods of dealing with the law and "crime".
The law and penal regime has 3 purposes:
(1) To punish crime.
(2) To deter crime.
(3) To rehabilitate criminals.

Where criminals cannot be rehabilitated then they must be detained indefinitely.
 

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The law and penal regime has 3 purposes:
(1) To punish crime.
(2) To deter crime.
(3) To rehabilitate criminals.

Where criminals cannot be rehabilitated then they must be detained indefinitely.
Or a legal system that better reflects society. Changes to legislation in drugs and prostitution would eliminate the need to punish, deter and rehabilitate.
 

Hans Von Horn

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Or a legal system that better reflects society. Changes to legislation in drugs and prostitution would eliminate the need to punish, deter and rehabilitate.

How would a legal system reflect society better?
 


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