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croke park II - stick it to the man, lets tie the public sector cuts to matching cuts to td and minister benefits


dancl2000

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croke park II - stick it to the man, lets tie the public sector cuts to matching cuts to td and minister benefits

Ok i know nobody wants to accept cuts to their take home. But there's a fair chance it'll be pushed through, there'll be strikes, whatever, but in the end it can be forced through.

There's another way though. This is a highly visible negotiation process. SIPTU and the other unions can demand that whatever reductions the govt makes of public sector workers are matched by reductions in salaries, benefits and pensions to td and ministers. It's a unique opportunity to put the govt on the spot and demand they make the same sacrifices they ask of us.

Can you imagine the president of SIPTU in the media spotlight saying the govt finds it ok to ask us to accept a reduction of eur1bn, when they themselves are unwilling to do anything about their own high salaries, benefits and pensions. It'd be a media field day.

Plus, any money saved in td salaries, benefits and pensions is money that doesnt have to be saved off the back of nurses and gardai.

It's a big ask on the public sector unions, but they're in a unique position to stick it to the man. Lets all ask our friends and collegues in the public service to think of this option, in their interest and the nations interest
 

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Ok i know nobody wants to accept cuts to their take home. But there's a fair chance it'll be pushed through, there'll be strikes, whatever, but in the end it can be forced through.

There's another way though. This is a highly visible negotiation process. SIPTU and the other unions can demand that whatever reductions the govt makes of public sector workers are matched by reductions in salaries, benefits and pensions to td and ministers. It's a unique opportunity to put the govt on the spot and demand they make the same sacrifices they ask of us.

Can you imagine the president of SIPTU in the media spotlight saying the govt finds it ok to ask us to accept a reduction of eur1bn, when they themselves are unwilling to do anything about their own high salaries, benefits and pensions. It'd be a media field day.

Plus, any money saved in td salaries, benefits and pensions is money that doesnt have to be saved off the back of nurses and gardai.

It's a big ask on the public sector unions, but they're in a unique position to stick it to the man. Lets all ask our friends and collegues in the public service to think of this option, in their interest and the nations interest
They would shyt themselves if the government agreed to take a 10 or 15% cut. The govnmt. TDs would be laughing all the way to the next election.
 

RobertW

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Nah.....I think one sixth of the PAYE workforce are tired of having their pockets raided separately for what is soon to be the third time in five years by the political class.

Dont mind the politicians. ...they'll top up any paycut with expenses.
 

HYENA

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Better still, turn the dogs on each other. Let the administrators of public services drawn from the ranks of higher civil servants and who are creatures of political patronage account for the failures in building credible public services. What strategies were available to our clown cabinet. During the boom we did not house the homeless, build hospitals and schools. We did not equip police with vehicles or build prisons to hold the rapists and burglars. Traitors should have to sleep warily, waiting for the treachery to be publicly revealed.
 

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I like the idea but would refine it by changing the formula such that a 1% cut in front line pay equals a 10% cut to the politicians and senior management (oh, and that includes senior union officials)
 

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They will. Its strongly expected there will be a significant cut in the salaries of the higher paid public service - inc TDs, Consultants, Judges etc.

Remember, of the 288,000 public servants, only 6,000 earn more than 100k. Thats 6,000 out of 110k in the state, earning more than €100k, so its not that big a pool.

But they will take a significant cut- all of them.
 

jackryan

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And so if they go ahead and ask the people to ablolish the seanad and they do, does this mean that the same percentage of public servant posts can be abolished?
 

civilserpant

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And so if they go ahead and ask the people to ablolish the seanad and they do, does this mean that the same percentage of public servant posts can be abolished?
I think abolishing the entire Oireachtas would save €30m pa. But of course you'd have no Government **no jokes please**
 

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They will. Its strongly expected there will be a significant cut in the salaries of the higher paid public service - inc TDs, Consultants, Judges etc.

Remember, of the 288,000 public servants, only 6,000 earn more than 100k. Thats 6,000 out of 110k in the state, earning more than €100k, so its not that big a pool.

But they will take a significant cut- all of them.
But nice though it would be, such cuts to those on 100k+ will not solve the deficit. You have to go down the salary scale to get the big savings. 60k or 70k is a hell of a good salary when you have a job for life.
 

SeanieFitz

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They will. Its strongly expected there will be a significant cut in the salaries of the higher paid public service - inc TDs, Consultants, Judges etc.

Remember, of the 288,000 public servants, only 6,000 earn more than 100k. Thats 6,000 out of 110k in the state, earning more than €100k, so its not that big a pool.

But they will take a significant cut- all of them.
you sound like you are about to climax! what ever floats your boat
 

civilserpant

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But nice though it would be, such cuts to those on 100k+ will not solve the deficit. You have to go down the salary scale to get the big savings. 60k or 70k is a hell of a good salary when you have a job for life.
Oh the line isn't going to be drawn at 100k.
Probably 70kish, include the APs, PO's and similar grades across the service. Expect significant time changes for the rest, which for many will have same impact as a pay cut
 

civilserpant

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you sound like you are about to climax! what ever floats your boat
Eh? wtf? A question was asked, a question was answered. I personally don't give *** if the over 100k get cut or not, but the point here is if you've nothing useful to say, jog on.
 

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Ok i know nobody wants to accept cuts to their take home. But there's a fair chance it'll be pushed through, there'll be strikes, whatever, but in the end it can be forced through.

There's another way though. This is a highly visible negotiation process. SIPTU and the other unions can demand that whatever reductions the govt makes of public sector workers are matched by reductions in salaries, benefits and pensions to td and ministers. It's a unique opportunity to put the govt on the spot and demand they make the same sacrifices they ask of us.

Can you imagine the president of SIPTU in the media spotlight saying the govt finds it ok to ask us to accept a reduction of eur1bn, when they themselves are unwilling to do anything about their own high salaries, benefits and pensions. It'd be a media field day.

Plus, any money saved in td salaries, benefits and pensions is money that doesnt have to be saved off the back of nurses and gardai.

It's a big ask on the public sector unions, but they're in a unique position to stick it to the man. Lets all ask our friends and collegues in the public service to think of this option, in their interest and the nations interest
Your thesis presupposes that SIPTU are some sort of benign organistaion that are only interested in the good of poor workers and the country as a whole. This could not be further from the truth.

SIPTU are happy that the TDs have high wages so that their high paid members can also keep there noggins in the trough. SIPTU are an organisation that looks out first for their higher paid members often at the expense of their lower paid ones.

Why dont those high paid SIPTU officials take a cut in their extravagant pay package? The answer is simple because they are just as greedy as those in government and business who have ruined the country.
 

dancl2000

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Your thesis presupposes that SIPTU are some sort of benign organistaion that are only interested in the good of poor workers and the country as a whole. This could not be further from the truth.

SIPTU are happy that the TDs have high wages so that their high paid members can also keep there noggins in the trough. SIPTU are an organisation that looks out first for their higher paid members often at the expense of their lower paid ones.

Why dont those high paid SIPTU officials take a cut in their extravagant pay package? The answer is simple because they are just as greedy as those in government and business who have ruined the country.
i agree, but siptu executive is answerable to the siptu members in a more direct way than tds are answerable to the public. e.g. all the siptu public sector members will be affected by croke park II, and are therefore very interested and motivated by proceedings. if the siptu rank and file make enough noise then it is hard for the siptu executive to not follow their wishes in asking sufficient sacrifices of elected officials
 

Disillusioned democrat

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Your thesis presupposes that SIPTU are some sort of benign organistaion that are only interested in the good of poor workers and the country as a whole. This could not be further from the truth.

SIPTU are happy that the TDs have high wages so that their high paid members can also keep there noggins in the trough. SIPTU are an organisation that looks out first for their higher paid members often at the expense of their lower paid ones.

Why dont those high paid SIPTU officials take a cut in their extravagant pay package? The answer is simple because they are just as greedy as those in government and business who have ruined the country.
The sad truth about "boom time" Ireland was that the rising tide was made to lift ALL boats, even the leaky, rusty, empty vessels that had been dragging the country down for decades, and they've kept their slice of the pie. Now that the country can't afford the pie anymore these "leaders" public representatives and union leaders alike have a symbiotic relationship that does best when private sector wealth is funneled un-accountability into the public sector.

One really irritating sound-byte from Brenda(n) Howlin(g) yesterday was his assertion that "all voices are being heard and listened to", meaning all the voices of the motley crew gathered around the ICTU conference table, each threatening more dire consequences if the government tries to reduce their pay in line with the country's ability to pay, but of course the one voice missing is the net-tax payers - people who are foregoing 50%+ of what their employer has to pay to employ them directly to the government so these "leaders" can sit aound a table thinking up ways to threaten their ultimate pay-masters.
 

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The sad truth about "boom time" Ireland was that the rising tide was made to lift ALL boats, even the leaky, rusty, empty vessels that had been dragging the country down for decades, and they've kept their slice of the pie. Now that the country can't afford the pie anymore these "leaders" public representatives and union leaders alike have a symbiotic relationship that does best when private sector wealth is funneled un-accountability into the public sector.

One really irritating sound-byte from Brenda(n) Howlin(g) yesterday was his assertion that "all voices are being heard and listened to", meaning all the voices of the motley crew gathered around the ICTU conference table, each threatening more dire consequences if the government tries to reduce their pay in line with the country's ability to pay, but of course the one voice missing is the net-tax payers - people who are foregoing 50%+ of what their employer has to pay to employ them directly to the government so these "leaders" can sit aound a table thinking up ways to threaten their ultimate pay-masters.


funny how your interpretation differs from others, I would see it the these union leaders have been invited to sit around a table and are there to represent their members interests. that is what they are paid to do.
having said all that I will be delighted to see CPA2 rejected, as most people on this site seem to want
 

Eric Cartman

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I like the idea but would refine it by changing the formula such that a 1% cut in front line pay equals a 10% cut to the politicians and senior management (oh, and that includes senior union officials)
Well that's not fair.

Cut public sector pay now
 
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