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Cut in jobseekers benefit


hmmm

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What do people make of the cut in jobseekers benefit eligibility? JSB is paid irrespective of means to those who have lost their jobs, whereas jobseekers allowance is means tested and kicks in afterwards.

This cut means that anyone who has been working, who has saved a little, will be cut off from assistance sooner than is the case today. Meanwhile the person who has never worked, and never saved a penny, will go on being paid their jobseekers allowance.

This is another attack on anyone in this society who tries to act responsibly and saves a little for their future. They are being penalised for being good citizens.

The progressive European approach to this is the reverse - anyone who has lost their job receives a percentage of their previous salary, which tapers downwards the longer they are out of work. Eventually, all benefits are stopped. You're rewarded for contributing to society, unlike here where the benefits seem to increase the less you contribute.
 

Morgellons

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I agree, morally it makes no sense. What is the limit you can have under the means test rules for JA?
 

macs magic

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Should have cut the dole for long term unemployed,over 5 years,to 100 a week,that'd clear the nest.
The single mother on the news earlier complaining about her benefits being cut was laughable.Get a job if you dont like it
 

tigerben

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What do people make of the cut in jobseekers benefit eligibility? JSB is paid irrespective of means to those who have lost their jobs, whereas jobseekers allowance is means tested and kicks in afterwards.

This cut means that anyone who has been working, who has saved a little, will be cut off from assistance sooner than is the case today. Meanwhile the person who has never worked, and never saved a penny, will go on being paid their jobseekers allowance.

This is another attack on anyone in this society who tries to act responsibly and saves a little for their future. They are being penalised for being good citizens.

The progressive European approach to this is the reverse - anyone who has lost their job receives a percentage of their previous salary, which tapers downwards the longer they are out of work. Eventually, all benefits are stopped. You're rewarded for contributing to society, unlike here where the benefits seem to increase the less you contribute.


See when you've never worked your classed as "vunerable" so you must be protected.
 

Flimflam

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What's even more sickening is that you'll have to pay an extra 250 euro in PRSI next year for the privilege.
 

nonpartyboy

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What do people make of the cut in jobseekers benefit eligibility? JSB is paid irrespective of means to those who have lost their jobs, whereas jobseekers allowance is means tested and kicks in afterwards.

This cut means that anyone who has been working, who has saved a little, will be cut off from assistance sooner than is the case today. Meanwhile the person who has never worked, and never saved a penny, will go on being paid their jobseekers allowance.

This is another attack on anyone in this society who tries to act responsibly and saves a little for their future. They are being penalised for being good citizens.

The progressive European approach to this is the reverse - anyone who has lost their job receives a percentage of their previous salary, which tapers downwards the longer they are out of work. Eventually, all benefits are stopped. You're rewarded for contributing to society, unlike here where the benefits seem to increase the less you contribute.
Always people who try get targeted, sit on your hole and do ************************ all and you'll be looked after.....
 

damus

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It means anybody who was working all their life and who receives redundancy will not qualify for any sw payment after nine months.
 

Keith-M

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Means test limit is EUR 20,000 savings - after which you are paid less

cYp
That's a reasonable amount of money. Even if you get more in terms of redundancy you'll spend a lot of it in he first 9 months after losing your job.
The other option is to take your redundancy and open a foreign bank account to hide it from the RC.
 

hmmm

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The other option is to take your redundancy and open a foreign bank account to hide it from the RC.
That seems almost sensible at this stage.

Can anyone figure out what the principle behind this change was? Because it makes no sense at all to me.
 

APettigrew92

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That seems almost sensible at this stage.

Can anyone figure out what the principle behind this change was? Because it makes no sense at all to me.
To "encourage" short-term unemployed people to either emigrate or take up jobs which at present don't even exist.

While simultaneously still forking out sufficient dough to long-term whinos and Dole Sponges who've been reaping the system dry for most of their lives.

And before I get some apologist cussing me out for being a "Right-Wing nut" or something, those people do exist. I have a lot of respect and sympathy for the unemployed who get lumped in with the percentage of the population who really are just sponges when most unemployed generally try to improve their employability or seek employment.

There is an undeniable percentage of the unemployed population who are, in many respects, prefer being unemployed.

Go after them. Not the people whose lives were adversely affected by the policies of your government...
 

Furze

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That seems almost sensible at this stage.

Can anyone figure out what the principle behind this change was? Because it makes no sense at all to me.
Force them to emigrate ? Bigger saving down the line.
 

davoid

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To "encourage" short-term unemployed people to either emigrate or take up jobs which at present don't even exist.

While simultaneously still forking out sufficient dough to long-term whinos and Dole Sponges who've been reaping the system dry for most of their lives.

And before I get some apologist cussing me out for being a "Right-Wing nut" or something, those people do exist. I have a lot of respect and sympathy for the unemployed who get lumped in with the percentage of the population who really are just sponges when most unemployed generally try to improve their employability or seek employment.

There is an undeniable percentage of the unemployed population who are, in many respects, prefer being unemployed.

Go after them. Not the people whose lives were adversely affected by the policies of your government...
There is something odd about the labour market at the moment. The young daughter of a friend of mine lost her job a couple of weeks ago. Within 24 hours of being told she was being let go, she had 3 jobs lined up,all within a mile of where she lives and had to choose. Not highly paid jobs admittedly, but how come these jobs can be available with 450,000 people on the dole?
 

carruthers

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It means anybody who was working all their life and who receives redundancy will not qualify for any sw payment after nine months.
If you had the misfortune of working for yourself all your life whilst employing others and paying tax you get zip also.
 

laidback

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That seems almost sensible at this stage.

Can anyone figure out what the principle behind this change was? Because it makes no sense at all to me.
To save money, thats the reason. if the unemployed person has a spouse/partner working almost certainly they won't get anything or a much reduced benefit as they'll be means tested on them. This change is in effect an increase in tax (FG promised no tax increases) because PRSI (pay related social insurance) is becoming a tax. Its not pay related and hasn't been for years. ceiling on payment have been greatly upped. Well paid people are paying in huge amounts + 10.75% from their employer but they only get the basic rate €188 if they become unemployed. Workers and employers have to pay PRSI but the govt moves the goalposts frequently in their favour. Its a Tax!
 

cyberianpan

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The reason for this is SW was told it must find savings somewhere ...thus they picked on the easiest place.

cYp
 

APettigrew92

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There is something odd about the labour market at the moment. The young daughter of a friend of mine lost her job a couple of weeks ago. Within 24 hours of being told she was being let go, she had 3 jobs lined up,all within a mile of where she lives and had to choose. Not highly paid jobs admittedly, but how come these jobs can be available with 450,000 people on the dole?
There is hardly a single street in Central Dublin without at least one job advertised.

Yet it doesn't matter how many "jobs" exist. There is a number of people who didn't want to have a job in the middle of the boom when jobs paid significantly more and taxation was far lower than today.

If you look at this objectively, you could do a part-time job earning minimum wage for 20 hours a week and come off levelling the income of someone on the dole, without everything else lumped in.

The Welfare State evolved to the point that it makes sense to not even go to work, provided you are happy with their standard of living.
 
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