Cuts in Social Welfare rates next on the cutbacks agenda?

kerrynorth

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On The Week in Politics Brian Lenihan did not rule out cuts in Social Welfare rates in the next budget. He certainly indicated that there will be no Social Welfare increases in a period of deflation as we are now entering. He did indicate that the minimum wage would be brought into the tax net year as part of broadening the tax base. That being the case then the government will be forced to cut Social Welfare payments to preserve the attractiveness of work over that of staying on Social Welfare. Social Welfare accounts for about 1/3rd of government spending.
 


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if we are to believe that a general deflation will be a hallmark of our economy in the coming year then it would actually make sense to freeze any increase in social welfare or even drop it and also to widen the tax base to include more workers who presently pay no tax, this would help to reduce the 34% of people in the workforce who pay no income tax.

deflation means that your purchasing power increases for every euro earned, however, if we are to tax even the lowest paid then social welfare HAS to be reduced in order to make it an unattractive option.

balancing these books is going to be one ugly affair.
 

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They should not have bothered putting it up in the first place.
Social welfare does not just mean dole payments but also disability payments and carers allowance. Any idea how these are to be affected?
 

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Thats what I am getting at MB. If the minimum wage is to be brought into the tax net as will happen then cuts to Social Welfare will also have to happen as it otherwise becomes more attractive to stay on Social Welfare. Therefore, his prevarication on possible Social Welfare rate cuts is disengenious because it is the inevitable consequence of cutting the net pay of the 34% currently not paying any income tax.
 

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For a lot of people who would only pull a 'McJob' anyway and wouldn't have much chance of improving on that anyway then staying on Social Welfare at the moment isn't such a bad option.

just can't see the Government doing this - that could lead to real social trouble.

More likely is no more increases over the next few years which will be easier to implement and probably help maintain political stablity in what will certainly be a very rough time.
 

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No next is public service cuts - an bord snip. Then broadening the tax case ie making more people pay more taxes. After that, social welfare cuts may be on the agenda - but they will be of the socially less acceptable type, like slappers, the homeless and those who want to go back to education and others trapped in the underclass. Frozen rates will be the same as cuts, since food and energy may be down now but may rise and many get caught by stealth charges.
 

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NO, no. There will be no trouble from the unemployed.
The INOU will see to that.
Sure arn't they part of the social parnership. That shower that sleeped walked us into this problem in teh first place.
 

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I dont think they are stupid enough to do this, if they even tried it there would be riots on the streets for weeks and id be there with them.
 

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There were no riots on teh streets in the 80's when teh unemployment rate hit the 18% mark. You cannot organise unemployed people into a resistance or protest group. It was tried before
 

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Certainly the childcare allowance needs to be abolished and replaced with a refundable tax-credit. There is no equity in a system that hands out a lump-sum which is then sent to Poland where it goes many times further than in Ireland. It constitutes a form of discrimination against Irish people in that respect. The aim of the allowance was purportedly to pay for the cost of childcare in Ireland. The govt denied it later, but the reality is that they were caught napping when it transpired it would end up going to Accession state nationals with children not even living in Ireland. This certainly needs to be addressed forthwith. Beyond that, means-testing is required so as to exclude the upper-classes from social-welfare. Millionaires and billionaires do not need social-welfare, and it is wrong to insist otherwise. It also constitutes another element of what I have termed regressive wealth transfer from the poor to the rich, and its defence a form of champagne-socialism.
 

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POVERTY and inequality cause the premature deaths of 5,400 people every year in Ireland, according to a shock new report.

So if FF and the Greens increase poverty then more poor people will die -which will have the effect of reducing the amount of poor people depending on social welfare. The money saved could then be siphoned off to the bankers and builders. The double effect, which will really please the bankers, is that if they also increase inequality - shutting down agencies that promote equality and the like - then this will also cause poverty and bring on more deaths and savings on social welfare!

Poverty and Inequality is Killing 5,400 Irish People Every Year
 

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Government cutting special-needs payments on the quiet.

The Irish state has been cutting special-needs payments on the quiet to very sick children.

This is a disgrace and as usal the media decides to ignore it.

Sick disabled children are paying for greedy bankers and elite politicans.

The same week we discover public servants get pay rises we discover down syndrome children are having their special needs payments cut to 0.

How can we as a nation justify the cuts to sick children and yet allow people like Enda Kenny to spend over €500 on paper openers!

More than 100 parents with special needs children are protesting outside Leinster House this lunchtime against cuts to the domiciliary care allowance.

Parents say the monthly allowance of €309.50 is vital in helping to give their children a better quality of life.

Many have had their allowances stopped in recent months. Thousands of applications are still under review.

Deirdre Kiernan from Straffan in Co Kildare, who has a daughter with down syndrome and autism, said she is "livid" with the Government.
Read more: 'Jesus Christ, I get angry': Parents protest at cuts to special-needs payments | BreakingNews.ie

FF CRITICISES HEAVY-HANDED REVIEW OF DOMICILIARY CARE ALLOWANCE
Fianna Fáil Spokesperson on Social Protection Barry Cowen has criticised the heavy-handed review of the Domiciliary Care Allowance, which has led to 193 children with serious disabilities losing their payments.

The Government reviewed the 402 cases last year and cut the Domiciliary Care Allowance for almost half of these children.

Deputy Cowen commented, “The Domiciliary Care Allowance is a monthly payment of €309.50 to the parent or carer of a child with a disability so severe that they require extra attention above that of another child the same age. The families of 193 of these children have now suddenly been told that they will no longer receive the payment. Most of these are children with autism over the age of 4. There is no doubt that they need extra care and supervision compared to other children of their age.

“This was a blunt and heavy-handed review. The process did not include any face-to-face assessment of the children affected, so officials had no first-hand knowledge of the care they required. The review also ignored medical evidence of the children’s conditions, and the evidence from parents about the level of care and attention the children need. People are justifiably wondering how the decisions on cuts were made.

“This is an extremely worrying trend. This Government made a number of decisions in their first budget to target the most vulnerable groups, and children in particular, for the bulk of cuts this year. These children have a life-long illness and the support their families receive from the State helps provide extra care that they need.
FF criticises heavy-handed review of Domiciliary Care Allowance | Fianna Fáil
 

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Government cutting special-needs payments on the quiet.

The Irish state has been cutting special-needs payments on the quiet to very sick children.

This is a disgrace and as usal the media decides to ignore it.

Sick disabled children are paying for greedy bankers and elite politicans.

The same week we discover public servants get pay rises we discover down syndrome children are having their special needs payments cut to 0.

How can we as a nation justify the cuts to sick children and yet allow people like Enda Kenny to spend over €500 on paper openers!


Read more: 'Jesus Christ, I get angry': Parents protest at cuts to special-needs payments | BreakingNews.ie

FF CRITICISES HEAVY-HANDED REVIEW OF DOMICILIARY CARE ALLOWANCE


FF criticises heavy-handed review of Domiciliary Care Allowance | Fianna Fáil
This has a lot to do with not touching CPA, cannot touch wages so go after services
 

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Government cutting special-needs payments on the quiet.

The Irish state has been cutting special-needs payments on the quiet to very sick children.

This is a disgrace and as usal the media decides to ignore it.

Sick disabled children are paying for greedy bankers and elite politicans.

The same week we discover public servants get pay rises we discover down syndrome children are having their special needs payments cut to 0.

How can we as a nation justify the cuts to sick children and yet allow people like Enda Kenny to spend over €500 on paper openers!


Read more: 'Jesus Christ, I get angry': Parents protest at cuts to special-needs payments | BreakingNews.ie

FF CRITICISES HEAVY-HANDED REVIEW OF DOMICILIARY CARE ALLOWANCE


FF criticises heavy-handed review of Domiciliary Care Allowance | Fianna Fáil
hiya have to say your post is spot on..Sometimes I am ashamed of what is happening in this country..I mean these cuts are so evil ... I mean I have been on here about cutting welfare but not to the extent of one section. It does need to come down unfortunately but I dont see how they can be imposing these cuts whilst the public sector get more and the gov get more and increase their expenses and give more to banks..Its f-ing crazy...I would have no problem paying more income tax to support a reverse of what you outlined but unfortunately any increase in mine or any other tax payer would never find its way to these unfortunate people
 

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hiya have to say your post is spot on..Sometimes I am ashamed of what is happening in this country..I mean these cuts are so evil ... I mean I have been on here about cutting welfare but not to the extent of one section. It does need to come down unfortunately but I dont see how they can be imposing these cuts whilst the public sector get more and the gov get more and increase their expenses and give more to banks..Its f-ing crazy..I would have no problem paying more income tax to support a reverse of what you outlined but unfortunately any increase in mine or any other tax payer would never find its way to these unfortunate people
Why don't you donate to charities working with disabled children?
 

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well I have a direct debit of 50 quid a month going to Bernardos ..unfortunately I cant afford much more than that.
Fair dues to you for that. The only problem with charity donations, even Bernados, is the number of well paid jobs you're supporting at the same time - this country is such a cess pit that we can't even rely on the charities to do the right thing.
 

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Fair dues to you for that. The only problem with charity donations, even Bernados, is the number of well paid jobs you're supporting at the same time - this country is such a cess pit that we can't even rely on the charities to do the right thing.
True which is why actually forceing the issue with a flow of cash from the tax payer would be a better way of doing it and it wouldnt cost any increase in paying wage
 


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