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Cyber Bullying, The Gardai and Alan Shatter


The OD

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From the Indo HERE

JUSTICE minister Alan Shatter has urged cyber-bullying victims across Ireland to contact the gardai.In the wake of a number of recent high-profile teen suicides linked to online abuse, Mr Shatter said laws existed to punish those behind such harassment.
"I would urge anyone who is the victim of any kind of bullying, including cyber-bullying, to report it to the gardai," he said.
"I would also urge parents and other family members to support and encourage victims in doing so."
On one hand I do have to commend Mr. Shatter for his stance in regards to this. However, I do think he is being naive in thinking that the Gardai will do anything in relation to this issue.

They simply do not want to know. The majority of Gardai are most likely unaware that there are laws in place in regards to this issue, considering how poor their grasp of more common laws can be.

As per usual, this issue comes to light in the wake of deaths and a lot of hand wringing and navel gazing occurs, but as soon as its no longer a newsworthy issue, off it goes until another teenager takes their own life.

My experience of the Gardai is that they are an extremely lazy organisation who won't do anything unless they absolutely have to or if their ego is threatened. They have a long history of ignoring teenagers in crisis, even laughing at claims of abuse on occasion.

So, whilst I shall again commend Mr. Shatter for his stance, I do think it's an empty gesture until we have a police force that works for all the community.
 


nonpartyboy

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That poor girl in donegal was 13, the law is not going to do anything about people of that age,because there is practically nothing it can do bar JLO them. it needs a far more local approach, school/parents etc., as usual society expects, everyone else to solve their problems.

If schools started suspending/expelling students for bullying outside school, parents would be queuing up outside the local solicitors office, just like everybody in this country wants laws implemented against everybody bar themselves, this is truly irelands greatest problem.
 

44percent

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Lets have a slew of cases. Lets have some convictions. Lets have some incarcerations.
No? Why not? It is time to recognize that the slap on the wrist invites contempt.
 

pippakin

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Mr Shatter is in a position to ensure that the Gards, a specialist team perhaps help people who complain of such bullying. It could be just another sound bite but it is an area that has recently claimed a young life.
 

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Cyber bullying is a Trojan Horse,

and the sheep will just open the gates and let it be rolled right in by scumbags like Shatter,

You think Shatter gives a fck about the welfare of your kids,

Wake up will ye,

The politicians were delighted to hear about the tragic deaths of Erin and Ciara.
 

nonpartyboy

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Lets have a slew of cases. Lets have some convictions. Lets have some incarcerations.
No? Why not? It is time to recognize that the slap on the wrist invites contempt.
You want to incarcerate children, for being idiots.....a step too far maybe. Bullying should be tackled in school first, before involving the law. This is shatter spinning again.
 

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More populist BS, Facebook "likes" are getting way more credit than they deserve...
 

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pippakin

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Cyber bullying is a Trojan Horse,

and the sheep will just open the gates and let it be rolled right in by scumbags like Shatter,

You think Shatter gives a fck about the welfare of your kids,

Wake up will ye,

The politicians were delighted to hear about the tragic deaths of Erin and Ciara.
There is obviously a growing problem with cyber bullying particularly effecting very young people who have access to the internet but lack the experience to deal with armchair thugs.

The freedom of the internet is not a blank cheque if the owners of sites like the ones the young girl in Donegal used refuse or cant supervise them properly then the supervision must be taken out of their hands.
 

amsterdemmetje

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Cyber bullying is a Trojan Horse,

and the sheep will just open the gates and let it be rolled right in by scumbags like Shatter,

You think Shatter gives a fck about the welfare of your kids,



Wake up will ye,

The politicians were delighted to hear about the tragic deaths of Erin and Ciara.
Thats a dipicable post ,dont know what you're trying to achieve with comments like that.
 
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That poor girl in donegal was 13, the law is not going to do anything about people of that age,because there is practically nothing it can do bar JLO them. it needs a far more local approach, school/parents etc., as usual society expects, everyone else to solve their problems.

If schools started suspending/expelling students for bullying outside school, parents would be queuing up outside the local solicitors office, just like everybody in this country wants laws implemented against everybody bar themselves, this is truly irelands greatest problem.
I wish people would stop expecting schools to stop this kind of stuff because it happens outside of school hours and so is none of their business.

If you want teachers to do something then make them into a juvenile police force and equip them properly in terms of manpower and legislation. Otherwise they are powerless.
 

pippakin

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I wish people would stop expecting schools to stop this kind of stuff because it happens outside of school hours and so is none of their business.

If you want teachers to do something then make them into a juvenile police force and equip them properly in terms of manpower and legislation. Otherwise they are powerless.
Isn't the problem that it usually starts in the school and is extended to the internet by the same school children? There does need to be proactive response to complaints about bullying, all too often it seems the schools have either under reacted or not reacted at all.
 

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I wish people would stop expecting schools to stop this kind of stuff because it happens outside of school hours and so is none of their business.

If you want teachers to do something then make them into a juvenile police force and equip them properly in terms of manpower and legislation. Otherwise they are powerless.
It begins in school and in many cases the children share a single common bond which is their shared schooling so of course the school has a role.
 
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Isn't the problem that it usually starts in the school and is extended to the internet by the same school children? There does need to be proactive response to complaints about bullying, all too often it seems the schools have either under reacted or not reacted at all.
The school can only deal with what happens in school, they cannot go monitoring their facebook accounts and the minute the kids leave school then the teachers are powerless to do anything about it. It's like asking a school to deal with with 2 kids fighting on the green during a football match - they are not the gardai, the gardai are..

By the way, would the gaa be expected to deal with it if the two kids happen to be in the same gaa club? Or the scouts or drama... parents need to monitor their own kids and stop pawning off responsibility onto people who cannot do anything about it
 

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From the Indo HERE



However, I do think he is being naive in thinking that the Gardai will do anything in relation to this issue.

They simply do not want to know.

Well they would want to revise their training courses / techniques etc.

This could quite possibly become the number 1 health issue in Ireland in 2013.

Depression / bullying......pushing past alcohol / drug abuse.
 

nonpartyboy

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I wish people would stop expecting schools to stop this kind of stuff because it happens outside of school hours and so is none of their business.

If you want teachers to do something then make them into a juvenile police force and equip them properly in terms of manpower and legislation. Otherwise they are powerless.

Students have been suspended for making comments on facebook outside school about teachers......i don't see the difference,and as i said parents ran straight for the appeals, not my poor johnny........exactly what is wrong with this country.

Pupils expelled after abusive Facebook posts about teachers - The Irish Times - Thu, May 17, 2012
 
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Students have been suspended for making comments on facebook outside school about teachers......i don't see the difference,and as i said parents ran straight for the appeals, not my poor johnny........exactly what is wrong with this country.

Pupils expelled after abusive Facebook posts about teachers - The Irish Times - Thu, May 17, 2012
The kids shouldn't have been and I suspect the schools are on dodgy legal ground as the kids are entitled to free speech the same as the rest of us.
 

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There is obviously a growing problem with cyber bullying particularly effecting very young people who have access to the internet but lack the experience to deal with armchair thugs.

The freedom of the internet is not a blank cheque if the owners of sites like the ones the young girl in Donegal used refuse or cant supervise them properly then the supervision must be taken out of their hands.
I'm glad that at least you understand what I'm talking about Pip, and you aren't accusing me of being some kind of child hating monster,

I am 100% against any form of govt regulation of the Internet, because I know why the want to get control of it, and it's not so that they can protect little girls,

In any event it would be impossible, the second they shut a site like ask.fm, a replacement would pop up within minutes,

This is about them getting control so that they can control the message, just like with the papers and the tv,

The biggest threat to their corruption and incompetence is the Internet, and politicians across the world are making a concerted effort to restrict its freedom,

They've quite happily made all of children into debt slaves, it's quite obvious that children's lives mean nothing to them, except to be used as convenient tools to achieve their goals,

And the vested interests will be there to shill for them, and the bleeding hearts will swollow it, hook, line & sinker!
 

pippakin

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The school can only deal with what happens in school, they cannot go monitoring their facebook accounts and the minute the kids leave school then the teachers are powerless to do anything about it. It's like asking a school to deal with with 2 kids fighting on the green during a football match - they are not the gardai, the gardai are..

By the way, would the gaa be expected to deal with it if the two kids happen to be in the same gaa club? Or the scouts or drama... parents need to monitor their own kids and stop pawning off responsibility onto people who cannot do anything about it
I think if its dealt with in the school or the club that would have a knock on effect and nor do I think that happening on line lets the school or club entirely off the hook. Its important that all responsible people once a complaint is lodged deal with it in a way that discourages further attacks.
 

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