D. Quinn accuses RTE of pushing the mass boycott

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A bit like the broken clock, Quinn is like the broken calendar, and thus says something resembling the truth about once a year or so.

And today is the occasion for one of those accidental hits.

RTE took major interest in minor Mass boycott - Analysis, Opinion - Independent.ie

The one-woman band who proposed the boycott does not seem to have any organisation behind her, nor, as it turned out, any substantial popular support. As far as anyone could see, the only people to boycott the mass were those who've been doing so assiduously every Sunday for quite a long while.

Imo, RTÉ, like many media outlets (and like the office of our President), sees it as its duty to promote a liberal catholic agenda.

Quinn doesn't say it, but one can assume he believes that it does this at the cost of the conservative, orthodox (and what he therefore considers legitimate) Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church.

Now it may be that more liberal catholics outnumber orthodox ones by quite a margin, and there is an argument that their broadcasting should reflect this. But their sponsorship of a one-woman campaign to fight orthodoxy smacks of story manufacturing for ideological purposes.

It seems to be the view in RTÉ (like the office of the President) that the church can and should be democratised from within and that any such democratisation will lead inevitably lead it in a more or less liberal direction, and that that is a good thing. Orthodox catholicism obviously disagrees. As it happens, I'm with the orthodox on this issue.

RTÉ (like the office of the President) obviously sees it as its right to use its status as a state institution to promote the liberal catholic agenda. Orthodox catholicism would I'm sure, disagree here too. I'm with the bishops (and, it seems, with David Quinn) on this issue as well.

Here's something else in the article it's very easy to agree with:

Of course, you may think this is all hocus pocus anyway, but if so then you're rejecting the core sacred act of the Catholic faith, in which case why ordain anyone...
Why indeed, David!
 


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I think we all know the Mass boycott was a failure.

The Church have more important things to be getting on with. Dissident a la carte cultural Catholics preaching heresy from the top of their voices is an ongoing annoyance. Thankfully they've no power and all they can do is crib and moan from the sidelines in the vain hope that some passer by will listen.
 
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It would have been more effective to get people to GO TO MASS... and dress in an outragous colour to show thei support to the victims, so the clergy can see their outrage as he says the mass.

Everybody go to communion, and then refuse to take it in protest, and refuse to move along.

THAT would have an effect!

It would be in Ghandi style!!!!

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSn-EEewUjw"]YouTube - Gods Ministers Who Abused His Trust[/ame]
 

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It would have been more effective to get people to GO TO MASS... and dress in an outragous colour to show thei support to the victims, so the clergy can see their outrage as he says the mass.
Using the Mass to make a political statement will earn you a very long time in purgatory.

Unless of course you're an anti-Catholic trying to drum up conflict. In that case, you'd have no business being on Church property and would be escorted to the door.
 

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Unless of course you're an anti-Catholic trying to drum up conflict. In that case, you'd have no business being on Church property and would be escorted to the door.
Quite right. Us anti-catholics shouldn't be let near a church.

We should, however, have our views fairly reflected in the national media (especially the national public service broadcaster).
 

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Quinn even bashes the Association of Catholic Priests for daring to say they thought the bishops's triumphalist attitude was unhelpful:

Unhelpful statement on Mass boycott | The Irish Catholic - Ireland's biggest and best-selling Catholic newspaper since 1888

Now, I presume that priests would be closer to what's happening on the ground than bishops; it just shows how absolutely in thrall of the hierarchy Quinn is when now he's regarding priests as God-bashing liberal secular.

(And yes I left a comment, and yes as usual Quinn hasn't allowed it to be published. When at the same time I'm sure he uses his column in a liberal secular paper to talk how liberal secularists keep trying to censor him.)

P.
 

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Now, I presume that priests would be closer to what's happening on the ground than bishops; it just shows how absolutely in thrall of the hierarchy Quinn is when now he's regarding priests as God-bashing liberal secular.
But I think his point is that that association of priests represents only a small minority of priests, the vast majority of whom are in full communion with the orthodox camp.

He's probably right, which just helps underline the point that RTÉ's efforts to reform the RCC from without are hopeless as well as inappropriate.
 

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Using the Mass to make a political statement will earn you a very long time in purgatory.

Unless of course you're an anti-Catholic trying to drum up conflict. In that case, you'd have no business being on Church property and would be escorted to the door.
I thought they got rid of purgatory. Oh wait that was Limbo they got rid of. That must be a relief to all those unbaptised babies out there.
 

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I have it on very good authority Jesus is very angry with the Roman Catholic church.
 

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I thought they got rid of purgatory. Oh wait that was Limbo they got rid of. That must be a relief to all those unbaptised babies out there.
Yes. Ratzinger used whatever metaphysical superpowers he seems to think he possesses over other plains of reality to wink it out of existence a couple of years back
 


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