Daddy, what's a Fascist?

owedtojoy

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Well, son, a very good question, since even the Fascists are using the term of insult "Fascist!" these days. Let's unpick this one. "Classical" Fascism can be summarised as the following belief system:

  1. Morality is ultimately tied to loyalty to one's nation, blood, and race, both in terms of its military and political strength and ultimately in terms of its demographic expansion.
  2. One's nation, blood, and race, is realised in a state. Individuals have duties to the state, seen as the decision-making organ of the collective. In return, the state will provide for its people.
  3. The state must be ruled by a strong leader, the highest in a hierarchy of leaders; what the Nazis called the Fuehrerprinzip.
  4. Parliamentary democracy is inherently unstable and weak, and individuals have no rights per se. The only rights they possess are granted by virtue of membership of the nation, blood or race.
  5. The courts, the law and the police ultimately serve the state, not an abstract conception of "individual rights".
  6. An eagerness to use any weapons--suspension of parliamentary democracy, mass propaganda, rallies, street violence, and so forth--to combat Fascism's domestic enemies, usually Marxists, but also any racial or sexual "other".
There is a certain resemblance here to medieval feudalism, except that, with feudalism, the Kings and aristocrats were hereditary leaders. In the Fascist system, modernised by a crude misapplication of Darwinism, leaders emerge from the organic state by struggle against each other rather than by right of birth. But wealth by birth is a powerful advantage in a Fascist system, which is why it has usually formed easy alliances with the rich and powerful. It offers the wealthy and corporate owners a security they would not have when threatened with Marxism, or even penal taxation.

There is also resemblance to Marxism, and Leninism was a powerful contemporary influence on Fascism. The first European Fascist, Benito Mussolini, began his career as a violent revolutionary Socialist. With the working class taking the place of the "nation, blood or race", Fascism and extreme Marxist Socialism have a lot in common, such as the contempt for parliamentary democracy, worship of the state and the propensity for violence.

However, Marxism is a universal creed, recognising the unity of all races as workers, exploited by greedy elites. Indeed, it was his Italian nationalism, and the rejection of World War I by fellow-Socialists, that drove Mussolini onto the path he took. In race and in economics, Fascism and Marxism are poisonous to each other.

Jeff Weintraub: Mark Mazower on fascism - An exchange with Brad DeLong

While Fascism is about 100 years old, it has its roots in the Counter-Enlightenment and the reaction against the French Revolution. Liberal Democracy and Marxism are more products of the Enlightenment, with the best exposition of the tenets of Liberalism being enshrined in the United States Constitution and Declaration of Independence - equality between citizens, consent to be governed, the rule of laws applied independently and freedom of choice.
 
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derryman

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Thanks Daddy.
But I asked whats an old "fart".
I heard mum call you that
 
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Sounds not unlike modern pseudo-liberalism, where the agenda of the social left takes the place of the state and leadership is in the hands of a very vocal minority, supported largely by a social media lynch mob.
 

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The real contemporary fascists are posters like the OP who twist science to pull the wool over people's eyes that humans can change the earths climates.

Then when their lies are exposed they scream insults all day long.
 

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The real contemporary fascists are posters like the OP who twist science to pull the wool over people's eyes that humans can change the earths climates.

Then when their lies are exposed they scream insults all day long.
Yes, I have noticed that about your participation.
 

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It's a bad day when I have to wait for Rashers to have an argument.

Since he is a Holocaust Denier, that is a bad day indeed.

So, all are agreed with my characterisation of Fascism, then?

I will leave it to the reader to examine his own conscience, and judge how much of a Fascist he or she is.
 

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A fascist isnt simply someone whos opinion you disagree with its a handy word that the left tend to throw around in an attempt to shut down opposing views.
 

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Well, son, a very good question, since even the Fascists are using the term of insult "Fascist!" these days. Let's unpick this one. "Classical" Fascism can be summarised as the following belief system:
It is on the rise again in Europe. The draining of human wealth to fewer and fewer people means that their could be a lot of trouble ahead. For example I find the modern idea of flexible working a throwback to a dark time for humanity. The prospect of the need for fewer and fewer people to work is a major issue which is so far beyond the modern political system to address its scary.

The first thing we need to do is give everyone a living wage even if they are not doing any "work".
 

owedtojoy

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A fascist isnt simply someone whos opinion you disagree with its a handy word that the left tend to throw around in an attempt to shut down opposing views.
Funny thing is that I have been called a "Fascist" by Fascists, who apparently agree with all the tenets in the OP.

Maybe it is some subtle irony I am not getting.
 

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I think we all know what a fascist is but our leaders dont need it anymore. Instead throw in a veneer of capitalism-bend over-take your favorite lubricant and take it from the EU superstate which has as much democracy as Soviet Russia had. Then dispense the couple of pence you have left over between paying off Bankers and providing a haven for Big business.
 

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So, all are agreed with my characterisation of Fascism, then?

I will leave it to the reader to examine his own conscience, and judge how much of a Fascist he or she is.

So we read your OP and go on a journey of self discovery based on the parameters, characterisation and definition, that you have provided as to what constitutes Fascism?
 

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It is on the rise again in Europe. The draining of human wealth to fewer and fewer people means that their could be a lot of trouble ahead. For example I find the modern idea of flexible working a throwback to a dark time for humanity. The prospect of the need for fewer and fewer people to work is a major issue which is so far beyond the modern political system to address its scary.

The first thing we need to do is give everyone a living wage even if they are not doing any "work".
I seen a dutch guy explain yhat living wage thing. It made sense how he put it.
 


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