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Daily Mail: The dark truth of Brian Cowen's drinking


MsAnneThrope

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I figured the Irish Mail on Sunday would have a strong story this weekend, and here it is, hot off the press:

Colleagues say his heavy drinking took a ‘dark turn’ during the Fianna Fáil wilderness years between 1994 and 1997, when the party was in opposition and there was little chance of promotion and none of exercising power. ‘Boredom can be a terrible thing for somebody of his undoubted intelligence,’ said a colleague who worked with him during this period.
‘He was razor sharp and energetic but front-bench opposition work did not suit him and he fell into irreversible habits. He drank hard.’

But even when the situation changed - with Fianna Fáil swept to victory under the leadership of Bertie Ahern in June 1997 - Mr Cowen continued his heavy drinking habits.
He had his pint on the bar and he sat on a stool while the other two stood. They were close enough to where we were sitting for us to overhear snatches of conversation. I went to the bar and passed between the couple and Cowen. He was slumped on the stool and seemed close to sleep.
‘As I stood next to him, I said: “How are you?” His reply was an unintelligible cross between an exhalation and a sigh, accompanied by a shaking of the head that set the jowls juddering. He seemed to me to be incapable of speech due to the amount of drink he’d taken. If he formulated a word, I couldn’t make it out.’
Wednesdays are midweek ‘nights out’ as Thursday is not a Dáil day

Members of the public report seeing him slumped at hotel bar

One Budget night he went on a boozing binge into the early hours

Even as a student, he spent all his food money on ‘liquid lunch’


The dark truth of Irish Prime Minister Cowen’s drinking

They're not holding back in that article :shock:
 
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This reminds me a lot of the Charles Kennedy issue in the UK. The media were well aware of an issue, but just were waiting for the triggering event in order to run with a collection of tales.
 

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It is difficult to see how he can survive this.
 

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Av bin dee'in sum research intay this carryon a cowens... so a hadda locka pints the nite tay see if I'd be able for an interview in the mornin.... havin said that, ah think I mighta got a bit too serious aboot the research.... ah meant tay go tay bed at half three, but here I am, 6.56am, lissenin tay youtube and trying tay read this gobbledly gook.... tuigim do chás a Bhriain, now I see where ye where comin fray Brian, now I see where ye were comin fray............

Was Hitler not a teetotaller and non-smoker and occasional vegetarian?
 

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Av bin dee'in sum research intay this carryon a cowens... so a hadda locka pints the nite tay see if I'd be able for an interview in the mornin.... havin said that, ah think I mighta got a bit too serious aboot the research.... ah meant tay go tay bed at half three, but here I am, 6.56am, lissenin tay youtube and trying tay read this gobbledly gook.... tuigim do chás a Bhriain, now I see where ye where comin fray Brian, now I see where ye were comin fray............

Was Hitler not a teetotaller and non-smoker and occasional vegetarian?
Have a good oul Chinese you will be ok

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Something inside of me just rebels against this. Has his drinking seriously affected the way he does his job? I worry that we are going to let journalists, (Who are not motivated in any way by the public good) set our standards for us.
We will end up with a tee total baby kissing saint with big tits.
I will admit that i have only read the extracts in the op, as i myself have been dragged from my pit to watch thunderbirds, after a dining experience that can only be described as corpulent and Guiness and whisky to follow, without regards for this morning.
The man likes to get sloshed, He doesn't have his finger on the button and i expect their are others who can cover him in the wee hours in dire emergency. (when did that last happen?)
This is non party pol, i just don't truly trust people without human need or some excess, they are probably truly weird in ways far more scary.
 

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In the interests of balance, and having pointed out how the Sindo EXCLUSIVE today consists largely of unattributed quotes/anonymous sources, we have to note the same thing about this reportage.

It's not a high standard of journalism. To many people, it's not an acceptable standard at all, even if the target is unsympathetic and - important, this - even if the reported incidents are actually true.
 

the_rebubblican

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Poor journalism for the Sindo, not one attributable quote to a heave. There may be mutterings and plans afoot in the background but not one FF TD has come out to confirm the rumours. And who is the dreamy prop FFer who wrote "The game is up, the game is on", as good a Lenihan love on as I've yet read. The Indo hasn't even buried Cowen yet while they are cheer leading his successor. A clear desperate attempt by the paper to leapfrog anybody popping their head above the parapet, poor journalism indeed.
 

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Poor journalism for the Sindo, not one attributable quote to a heave. There may be mutterings and plans afoot in the background but not one FF TD has come out to confirm the rumours. And who is the dreamy prop FFer who wrote "The game is up, the game is on", as good a Lenihan love on as I've yet read. The Indo hasn't even buried Cowen yet while they are cheer leading his successor. A clear desperate attempt by the paper to leapfrog anybody popping their head above the parapet, poor journalism indeed.
The Sindo's been pushing the "Cowen Out, Lenihan In" line for a while now.
 

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So is the consensus now that Cowen was drunk or hungover? Or is the line still that he was 'hoarse' There may be some credibility issues here.
 

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The greens now have a last chance if they tell FF to quickly appoint a new leader or they walk otherwise they enter The Tavern of Ruin:)
No. According to John Gormley he was having a bad day. Even the Greens have them too ... :rolleyes:

Seriously, if this is how it really is, then shame on FF for letting it go on this long. It's their fault that the media has had to do it for them.
 
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derm0t

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The striking aspect of this story is that Cowen couldn't handle 3 years in opposition...

...just as well he never joined Fine Gael. Can you imagine?

As Tommy O Brien has pointed out many times - FF is not "wired" for an extended spell in opposition. If they can barely handle one term, what will happen to the dears if they're out for 10 or 15 years?

Because that's what they're looking at - and well earned, too.
 

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The striking aspect of this story is that Cowen couldn't handle 3 years in opposition...

...just as well he never joined Fine Gael. Can you imagine?

As Tommy O Brien has pointed out many times - FF is not "wired" for an extended spell in opposition. If they can barely handle one term, what will happen to the dears if they're out for 10 or 15 years?

Because that's what they're looking at - and well earned, too.
Some of them will use it as an excuse to go on the piss (especially if they can get the taxpayer to pay for it)
 

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If Saint Lenihan is the answer, will his alleged drinking be called into question?

Or does he always chew garlic before meeting the media?
 

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I'd love to see Cowen ousted, but in all honesty, f*** the Sindo and f*** the Mail
 

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Something inside of me just rebels against this. Has his drinking seriously affected the way he does his job? I worry that we are going to let journalists, (Who are not motivated in any way by the public good) set our standards for us.
We will end up with a tee total baby kissing saint with big tits.
I will admit that i have only read the extracts in the op, as i myself have been dragged from my pit to watch thunderbirds, after a dining experience that can only be described as corpulent and Guiness and whisky to follow, without regards for this morning.
The man likes to get sloshed, He doesn't have his finger on the button and i expect their are others who can cover him in the wee hours in dire emergency. (when did that last happen?)
This is non party pol, i just don't truly trust people without human need or some excess, they are probably truly weird in ways far more scary.
As you say, he doesn't have his finger on the button...and what exactly did he turn up hungover for? A media appearance...oh noes! Cue media outrage over failure to take the media sufficiently seriously...
 
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