Daniel Shaver shooting

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A video has recently been released of brave police officers in Arizona shooting a man called Daniel Shraver. Warning: Disturning footage. He is on his knees, crying for his life when he is shot for putting one of his hands down. The police had received reports of a gun pointing out from the hotel room he was in. As it turned out he had been showing some friends a pellet gun he used in his line of work. He did not have the pellet gun or any other weapon on him when he was shot.

The police officer that pulled the trigger was recently acquitted of all charges and after the trial the video was released.

Arizona is a state that strongly supports the Second Amendment by the way. I would think that if you support the population being armed you would expect the police to deal calmly people with reports of guns (especially when you don't have any reports of shots fired or any threats) but apparently Americans feel differently.
 


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Nothing shocks me about the US police anymore.
 

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What a country. Terrify the poor fella so much that he can't absorb the multiple aggressive instructions, and then murder him.

That country is off the wall
 

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Murder pure and simple..the decision that it was justified in disgusting!!! This is why Americans are loosing trust in the Police.
 

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Never trust the State and especially never, ever trust any branch of law enforcement.
 

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Murder pure and simple..the decision that it was justified in disgusting!!! This is why Americans are loosing trust in the Police.
Plenty of Americans are defending the shooting on social media. Many conservatives seem to support the police in anything except investigating Trump.
 

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On the other hand who would want to be a cop where so many people are armed ?
 

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How could he be charged with murder? He obviously didn't want to shoot the man, but reacted to his putting his hand behind his back after being told explicitly he would be shot if he did so.

It's a brutal video, and I'm not saying that there was no criminal charge that could have been brought against him; but murder was never going to stick in this case.
 

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on the plus side the cop that shot the black guy in the back who was running away was found guilty
 

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How could he be charged with murder? He obviously didn't want to shoot the man, but reacted to his putting his hand behind his back after being told explicitly he would be shot if he did so.

It's a brutal video, and I'm not saying that there was no criminal charge that could have been brought against him; but murder was never going to stick in this case.

Putting a confused terrified man under threat of his life unless he carried out perfectly a series of instructions and then shooting him when he made a mistake is murder. The cops could have approached him and cuffed him easily.
 

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Putting a confused terrified man under threat of his life unless he carried out perfectly a series of instructions and then shooting him when he made a mistake is murder. The cops could have approached him and cuffed him easily.
Context is everything.

Why were the police there?

You live in a country where the chance of someone's pulling a gun on police is incredibly slim; that is not the case in the US.
 

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Brutal video and brutal society in many ways but that wasn't murder. The hotel called the cops after guests saw guy pointing a gun out of the window. So cops are on super high alert. Snipers, killers, jihadists etc all sob and weep. And then the guy reaches for his waist. That was the red line. Cop had to fire. It's horrible and it's sad but in a country where so many people have guns and there is such a daily existential threat to police and in recent years, innocent people, this is the reality.
 

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Brutal video and brutal society in many ways but that wasn't murder. The hotel called the cops after guests saw guy pointing a gun out of the window. So cops are on super high alert. Snipers, killers, jihadists etc all sob and weep. And then the guy reaches for his waist. That was the red line. Cop had to fire. It's horrible and it's sad but in a country where so many people have guns and there is such a daily existential threat to police and in recent years, innocent people, this is the reality.
Yeah, presumably that was a swat team and they're trained to deal with situations they're sent to in a specific way and to not deviate from that unless the situation dictates that they do. Hence, they didn't just walk over and cuff an obviously very confused and distressed man who was struggling to follow their instructions. The cop was just following his training.
 

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Jeez-it looks bad.V savage-can't imagine what would happen if the guy didn't speak English.Guaranteed dead.
 

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How could he be charged with murder? He obviously didn't want to shoot the man, but reacted to his putting his hand behind his back after being told explicitly he would be shot if he did so.

It's a brutal video, and I'm not saying that there was no criminal charge that could have been brought against him; but murder was never going to stick in this case.
At any point in that 5 minutes he could and should have been cuffed. What possible reason was there to give a 'crawl forward' order?
 

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Plenty of Americans are defending the shooting on social media. Many conservatives seem to support the police in anything except investigating Trump.
Plenty of Americans are calling it murder on social media too. Saw this yesterday and was horrified. People have no faith in police here... Cops like this assh0le should be in jail.
 

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That's heart breaking and it'd near turn your stomach in sorrow for the poor lad but I can't say that cop did wrong.

When he reached to presumably adjust his trousers it would have been the same as if he were going for a gun.

The kid was drunk I think, scared, and he should not have died but I don't blame the cop. If he were there to prevent a mass shooting then he had a hard job to do.

American gun law is ridiculous that cops are so terrified and shooting deaths are so prevalent.
 

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At any point in that 5 minutes he could and should have been cuffed. What possible reason was there to give a 'crawl forward' order?
I'm guessing that since the hotel room was further down the hall they wanted to have the two people move forward to them rather than standing outside the door and cuffing them there and being exposed to a third person in the room.
 

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I'm guessing that since the hotel room was further down the hall they wanted to have the two people move forward to them rather than standing outside the door and cuffing them there and being exposed to a third person in the room.
Have a second guy cover him, move the shooting cop past him and get a third to cuff him. They had 5 minutes ffs
 


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