Darwin's Doubt

Volatire

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Lamarck gave a coherent view of evolution that was rooted in biology sixty years before Darwin.

Lamarck was denounced and ridiculed by Darwin and Darwinist fanatics. After all Lamarck was French, and maybe a bit of a Catholic. Lamarck was indeed a deist but he never invoked a creator in his theories.

Lamarckian evolution is observed to operate in the real world, just as a Darwinian selection has been observed. Contrary to Darwinist dogma, environmental and behavioural information is passed to offspring.


The observed Lamarckian mechanism is interesting. Genes can be turned on and off by modifications of DNA transcription.

A naturally conceived human derives her half of her DNA from sperm that has passed through 300mm of ductus deferens. It has been speculated this this is where environmental information is acquired.

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Lamarck gave a coherent view of evolution that was rooted in biology sixty years before Darwin.

Lamarck was denounced and ridiculed by Darwin and Darwinist fanatics. After all Lamarck was French, and maybe a bit of a Catholic. Lamarck was indeed a deist but he never invoked a creator in his theories.

Lamarckian evolution is observed to operate in the real world, just as a Darwinian selection has been observed. Contrary to Darwinist dogma, environmental and behavioural information is passed to offspring.


The observed Lamarckian mechanism is interesting. Genes can be turned on and off by modifications of DNA transcription.

A naturally conceived human derives her half of her DNA from sperm that has passed through 300mm of ductus deferens. It has been speculated this this is where environmental information is acquired.

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Is there such a thing as a Darwinistic fanatic?, Where do these weirdos hang out?
 

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Basically anyone who doesn't prefer Lamarck's version. Oddly enough it is Lamarck's version which has been rejected, and his version of evolutionary theory which failed the experimental examination as part of the scientific process.

Volatire has of late broken through the need for reality and just makes up his own. Which is usually a sign of religious thinking rather than logical analysis.
 

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naturally, of course, Lamarck was a professed catholic, which I think links Mr Volatire there and his hero.

Lamarck's Ma and Adolf Hitler's Ma shared something anyway. They both wanted their sons to be catholic priests.
 

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// that has passed through 300mm of ductus deferens. It has been speculated this this is where environmental information is acquired.
Or just a taste for travel ??
 

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Or just a taste for travel ??
No sure about travel, but differences are observed between people conceived naturally vs in vitro. e.g. more cardio disease in the latter.

DNA inherited in vitro, but gene expression may be different i.e. evidence that people conceived in vitro may lack environmental information from their parents.

Incomprehensible without Lamarckian epigentics.
 

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Peculiar reasoning. Using Lamarck's theories, which are not regarded as accurate by by science today, to attack Darwin's theories, which have held up remarkably well through many decades of attempts to persuade otherwise.

We really are through the looking glass here. It is now apparently possible using this way of thinking to go back to an early model of the solar system and refuse to contemplate the existence of planets discovered since.

Despite being able to see them through telescopes.
 

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Just how non-Darwinian can evolution get? The answer seems to be extremely. Extremely non-Darwinian. Anything but Darwin in fact.

Human consciousness may be the product of retro-viral infection. Nothing to do with bullshít about inheritance of small mutations.

Cell btw is one of the most prestigious journals in all of biology.

Peer reviewed, bitches.
 

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How does your mate Lamarck fare under the same scrutiny?

The reason we refer to the Theory of Evolution is because not all levels of complexity have been measured and there is more to learn.

Lamarcks work doesn't stand up today. Darwin's work does.
 

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How does your mate Lamarck fare under the same scrutiny?

The reason we refer to the Theory of Evolution is because not all levels of complexity have been measured and there is more to learn.

Lamarcks work doesn't stand up today. Darwin's work does.
Lamarck theorised that the giraffe's long neck came about because it stretched its neck to eat foliage, and passed the trait on to its descendants, each of which had slightly longer necks.

It is sorta like saying that if a family of blacksmiths are strong and muscular, then their descendants will be too.

Darwin said that each generation of giraffe ancestors has cases of long and short necks. Because the longer-necked ones would obtain more food from the taller tree branches, they had an advantage over their shorter-necked siblings. Begin provided with better nutrition gave them an advantage in obtaining mates and having offspring that could survive. Eventually a long necked animal evolved, which is the giraffe we know.

The discovery of genes and that giraffes could pass on a gene for long necks to their offspring greatly buttressed Darwin's paradigm.
 

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Yes, but the real question is, are any of the giraffes jesuits? :)
 

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Trying to think of a way to prompt Volatire there to launch an OP denouncing heliocentrism and that clearly the earth is at the centre of the solar system and therefore of the universe.

That fecker Copernicus. And your man Galileo. Always dissing the monks and their carefully worked out astronomo-prayers.
 
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Incomprehensible without Lamarckian epigentics.

Epigenentics, I'm lost. OK, OK, I gave up when I heard we have as many genes as the banana.
 


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