David Drumm - Anglo's unwitting fall guy?

CookieMonster

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So I was tending to my aquarium this evening and Anglo came to mind (it too is full of filth and I'm having a hard time getting rid of it).

I was observing the behaviour of the fish, I noticed that after a small school of a certain species died out leaving only one behind the other fish were picking on the remaining one.

This got me thinking about Anglo and Drumm: Was he set up to be the Anglo fall guy?

Drumm took over as CEO of Anglo from Seanie in 2005. As we see from the thread here the that particular overcharging event stopped or came to light around the time he took over.

It was FitzPatrick and Bradshaw who took out the €87 million in director's loans from Anglo to buy Anglo Shares, and transfered them to another bank to make it seem as though the loans to Directors was smaller (€40m rather than €150m) not Drumm. Drumm did, however, resign after this came to light.

In fact, the majority of the bank's underlying problems were created prior to Drumm taking over as CEO. Also, Anglo was also very much Seanie's baby and the clientelist nature of the bank derived from FitzPatrick's time at the helm... it would have been difficult for Drumm to work against that.

Then, recently, we heard that Drumm offered a settlement to Anglo which was, to say the least, almost as generous as it could be by offering up all his assets (including his €5.4 million pension - which would be worth less than that were it to be cashed in now it has to be said) save his clothes and jewellery. But it turns out this was refused by the Bank.

I found it odd that this was refused. But then on RTE's Six-One they speculated that if it had been accepted that it would be seen as "letting him away" with his actions. That is to say that a political decision was taken, not a commercial one. As a bank Anglo's responsibility amounts rt recovering as much as they can from bad loans, not making political decisions.

It was reported that Drumm was frustrated with this, and I can't blame him for that. He did make a genuine offer to cover as much of his debt as he could and it was refused. One can't help but understand why he would then go and file for bankruptcy in the US where their laws are much less draconian in this regard.

Drumm, unlike Seanie, owes Anglo €8.5 million... that's it. FitzPatrick owes Anglo €155 million, over 18 times as much. Drumm is now living in exile in the US while Seanie is living it up here.

A few weeks ago Cowen said that it would be "helpful" if Drumm came back. To be honest, I think a lot of the Anglo boys are only to happy to see him stay where he is and keep his mouth shut. I would like to see someone the Irish media relinquish it's establishment bias (full page pictures of him smiling, the b@stard!) and give Drumm a fair hearing. It might do us a world of good and save us more than €8.5 million and David Drumm's washer/dryer.


  • (wasn't sure if this should be Current Affairs or Economy, Mods feel free to move if necessary)

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darkhorse

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Makes sense - the same thought occurred to me when they turned down Drumm's offer
This is about optics now and Anglo want blood - not money
 

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Spotty has been following events all day. At first blush, this would seem to Spotty to be a line of enquiry worth pursuing. The phrase "GUBU" comes to Spotty's mind when he turns his searchlight-like intellect to the various developments we've seen today.....
 

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Dunno about him being a 'fall guy' but I do think that a lot of what is being kicked around now could have been avoided if the Garda and whoever else had robustely interviewed him, searched his records, etc., when THIS THING FIRST BROKE - INSTEAD of pussyfooting around and hiding behind phrases uttered by the leaders like 'INAPPROPRIATE BEHAVIOUR' and doing sod-all for months-an-months-an-months, and waiting to be told what to do by The Masters - by which time said David had relocated to the U.S. of A., having purchased two desirable properties in a very desirable neighbourhood, to say the least. So whatever the Country via Anglo, loses on the deal - just put it down to political non-savvy or worse. Sems to fall right into line with S.Fitzpatrick; R.Molloy; M.Fingleton, FAS, DDA, etc., etc., etc....
 

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Dunno about him being a 'fall guy' but I do think that a lot of what is being kicked around now could have been avoided if the Garda and whoever else had robustely interviewed him, searched his records, etc., when THIS THING FIRST BROKE - INSTEAD of pussyfooting around and hiding behind phrases uttered by the leaders like 'INAPPROPRIATE BEHAVIOUR' and doing sod-all for months-an-months-an-months, and waiting to be told what to do by The Masters - by which time said David had relocated to the U.S. of A., having purchased two desirable properties in a very desirable neighbourhood, to say the least. So whatever the Country via Anglo, loses on the deal - just put it down to political non-savvy or worse. Sems to fall right into line with S.Fitzpatrick; R.Molloy; M.Fingleton, FAS, DDA, etc., etc., etc....
In the current environment, Spotty thinks Mr. Drumm should be given a fair hearing. Immunity in return for all of the information he has, or something. Spotty could stomach that. Barely.
 

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Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius
 

spotty

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Spotty is of the view that todays revelations in the Indo make CookieMonster's theory look better and better.....
 

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Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius

Sorry for being a bit thick but can you supply a translation, Latin wasn't taught at my school they had enough problems trying to drum French and English into me!
 

CookieMonster

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David Drumm is Brendan Drumm's brother I think.
 

fecker

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Is he at all related to professor Benny Drum ex head of that other wonderful institution the HSE?
Yes, I belive. It does not take away from either mans' ability or liability. Have liked 'CookieMonsters' posts and, wish to read more.
 

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Spotty has now read Mr. Drumm's interview with the Sunday Independent. Although originally hostile to this theory, Spotty is coming around to it. At the very least, Mr. Drumm deserves a fair hearing.
 

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Spotty has now read Mr. Drumm's interview with the Sunday Independent. Although originally hostile to this theory, Spotty is coming around to it. At the very least, Mr. Drumm deserves a fair hearing.
The interesting thing is... If the govt and their goldenboys from Anglo start attacking Drumm on foot of this or other interviews they risk antagonising him further and that could result in intresting things.

That's the problem with outsiders, which Drumm was, they're not party to the omertà... As a taxpayer I think some fair testament of Drumm could be more beneficial to us, he wasn't the cause of this mess afterall.
 

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Too much pussyfooting around Drumm and the Anglo Boys.

Why? They're only as shower of bankers, after all.

Be interesting to know how many "brothers" are in prominent positions in this country.
 

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Hope he tells his side of the story in how were the Central Bank & Regulator informed about what was going on.

The Gardai should maybe also get records from Central Bank & Regulator & Dept of Finance as to what correspondence took place.

Will they.................
 


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