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David Irving to speak in UCC


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Accord to the UCC Website, the controversial David Irving has been
invited to speak at UCC on the issue of free speech:

http://www.uccphilosoph.com/internal/in ... 42&catid=6

Why are they inviting him? He's discredited as a historian after
losing the Lipstadt libel case ten years ago,where the court
ruled he was a Holocaust denier and a falsifier of history.
 


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Students looking for controversy, what an original and principled move.. I f***ing hate student politicians and self-promoters, flamethrowers too good for them...

Still if he's coming let him speak and ignore the Nazi idiot. But you can be sure that even more self-promoting student mediocrities will be organising the kind of opposition that the old fraud relies upon..
 

A_man_about_a_dog

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Fair play to UCC for having the balls to defend free speech.

Whatever one thinks about his views, letting him speak is in the best interests of all involved because it is only through allowing people like Irving to speak publicly that their views and opinions can be challenged and shown to be a load of BS.
 
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It does smack of student politicians looking for cheap controversy alright. I stayed
away from student politics during my UCC days.

Irving took an unsuccessful libel suit to try to silence Lipstadt: he also threatened legal action
against other historians who criticized him. He strikes me as someone who tries to
take away the free speech of others. He shouldn't be there, full stop.
 
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Starkadder said:
It does smack of student politicians looking for cheap controversy alright. I stayed
away from student politics during my UCC days.

Irving took an unsuccessful libel suit to try to silence Lipstadt: he also threatened legal action
against other historians who criticized him. He strikes me as someone who tries to
take away the free speech of others. He shouldn't be there, full stop.
Oh, a hypocrite of mighty proportions, as well as being a contemptible liar. The motive of those who invited him is obvious controversy-mongering, not a concern for free speech. The motives of those who will no doubt be out in full shrieking force when he arrives are also nakedly self-promoting. These contemptible egotists and prima-donnas were very hard not to vomit on when I was at UCC.
 

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A_man_about_a_dog said:
Fair play to UCC for having the balls to defend free speech.

Whatever one thinks about his views, letting him speak is in the best interests of all involved because it is only through allowing people like Irving to speak publicly that their views and opinions can be challenged and shown to be a load of BS.
His views have been shown to be BS time and time again. The only person who gains from this is David Irving who gets free publicity and presumably free flights, accommodation and meals etc.

He's so broke these days apparently that the prospect of a free meal and some cheap plonk is enough to get him to accept these gigs.
 

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Last time and this time

The last time he was invited I supported the protestors.

Howver I think that if another big rally happened this time it would

just give the ass hole too much free publicity which suits him down to

the ground. I would prefer that he turns up to an empty lecture hall

which in a way would reflect the empty headidness of the organisers

who invited him; safe in their self congratulatory stunt orientated

cliqish meddling.
 
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Catalpa said:
Its about time someone stood up to these cranks who try to stifle any political opinion they don't agree with.
Cranks who launch libel actions against all their critics, you mean?
 

corkman2007

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Catalpa said:
He should be allowed to come here and have his say.

Its about time someone stood up to these cranks who try to stifle any political opinion they don't agree with.
Sure he should be allowed to come, but that doesn't mean that these bloody students have to go out of their way to invite him and feed the pathetic w*nker.

When are these student societies going to realise that inviting Irving to speak isn't original or daring anymore?
 

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Of course Irvine should be allowed come and speak and have his questionable views challenged. I have serious misgivings about "Holocaust denial" being a crime...it's foolish but should not be a crime.
 
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Irving has been associated with the infamous Institute of Historical Review, an
American Holocaust-denial group. The IHR also work on falsifying other
historical atrocities, such as the crimes of Spanish Inquisition and black
slavery in the Southern US (See Denying History by Michael Shermer).

No-one
is denying Irving the right to appear on television,publish books or write
to the newspapers: he is wrongly being given a platform to promote his reprehensible views and champion a cause (free speech) he has tried to obstruct through libel actions. He shouldn't be at UCC.
 

Coggy

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Protesters to the Irvine visit are assembling at 6.30 on the night at the UCC Main Gates (Mon 10th! not the 20th)

How can Fascists talk about "free speech"? they simply use democracy to smash democracy .
 

beardyboy

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Starkadder said:
Accord to the UCC Website, the controversial David Irving has been
invited to speak at UCC on the issue of free speech:

http://www.uccphilosoph.com/internal/in ... 42&catid=6

Why are they inviting him? He's discredited as a historian after
losing the Lipstadt libel case ten years ago,where the court
ruled he was a Holocaust denier and a falsifier of history.
to talk about free speech I suppose
:roll:
 

stannis

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Students looking for controversy, what an original and principled move.. I f***ing hate student politicians and self-promoters, flamethrowers too good for them...
Ah grow up will you. The students really looking for controversy are the "no-platformers" on the far left who are willing to use any method to stop the man from giving his speech.

How can Fascists talk about "free speech"? they simply use democracy to smash democracy .
Is Irving a member of a fascist party? Are you referring to pre-WW2 fascism? People love throwing the word fascist around to discredit anyone whose opinions they don't want to hear. If as you say fascists are enemies of free speech, then the no-platform supporters are fascists.
 
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stannis said:
Students looking for controversy, what an original and principled move.. I f***ing hate student politicians and self-promoters, flamethrowers too good for them...
Ah grow up will you. The students really looking for controversy are the "no-platformers" on the far left who are willing to use any method to stop the man from giving his speech.

[quote:29p81a3q]How can Fascists talk about "free speech"? they simply use democracy to smash democracy .
Is Irving a member of a fascist party? Are you referring to pre-WW2 fascism? People love throwing the word fascist around to discredit anyone whose opinions they don't want to hear. If as you say fascists are enemies of free speech, then the no-platform supporters are fascists.[/quote:29p81a3q]

The first quote above is mine. You neglect my denunciation, in the same post, of the egotists who equally contemptibly will be out in force to oppose the visit.

'Still if he's coming let him speak and ignore the Nazi idiot. But you can be sure that even more self-promoting student mediocrities will be organising the kind of opposition that the old fraud relies upon..'

Why did you misrepresent me?
 

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