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Death of Irish Sugar Industry


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Food group Greencore has announced the planned closure of the last Irish sugar processing plant at Mallow, with the loss of 300 jobs.

The decision by the former State-owned company follows changes in the EU sugar trading rules that had followed a World Trade Organisation case that had been prompted by complaints from Brazil, Australia and Thailand.

The EU is providing a restructuring fund to Ireland worth €146m - Greencore is claiming 90% and the IFA says it's entitled to 75%.

The Irish Sugar Company dates back to 1926 and was one of the first State-sponsored industries.

Times change, nevertheless the end of the industry is a milestone.
 

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I think we missed an opportunity here.

There was more work to be done measuring CO2 emmissions and sugar beat consumption of them, which runs at three times the amount of your average plant.

Instead of paying other countries for CO2 credits, we could have moved that money to subsidy. We might have kept an industry going, reduced emmissions by processsing the beat into bio-fuel and absorbed more CO2 than we currently do, all the while recycling money within the economy instead of sending it over seas.

I don't know whether the maths definitely adds up, but we should have done the sums before shutting the plant.
 

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This is a disaster for Mallow, and the wider North Cork area, because of it knock-on affects on haulage and other sectors.

The fact that Mary Coughlan is allowed stay in office after this says a lot about Ministerial accountability under FF. Her incompetence has been staggering.

A viable, profitable, and growing Irish industry has been closed down - and she hasn't even raised a hand to try to stop it happening.

Coughlan turned her back on the Carlow plant before it closed, and she has done the same here. Its clear that Coughlan was telling different stories to both the IFA and Greencore in an effort to placate everyone. Unfortunately they were both given a barrel of lies. It seems now that when she was in Brussels negotiating this "deal", she didn't even know the full facts herself.
She was unable to provide information to ANYONE on the restructuring levy and who would be liable for it; how the rest of the compensation would be allocated (between farmers and Greencore) and the qualifying criteria for the compensation itself.

She basically shrugged her shoulders, washed her hands of it, and left it to Greencore and the farmers to sort out between themselves.

I can't think of any Minister in recent years who has been shown up to be so incompetent, and totally out of her depth in their brief. Even Mary O' Rourke's catastrophic time at Public Enterprise wasn't this bad.

Coughlan should be sacked for this disaster. God help us if Bird Flu hits our shores, and this woman is charged with defending us from it
 

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A viable, profitable, and growing Irish industry has been closed down - and she hasn't even raised a hand to try to stop it happening.


"Viable, profitable" - it was getting massive subsidies and protection courtesy of EU taxpayers, who have now decided to end this.
 

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I sometimes wonder if BarryW is really Maximus Richardus in drag.


BarryW said:
This is a disaster for Mallow, and the wider North Cork area, because of it knock-on affects on haulage and other sectors.

The fact that Mary Coughlan is allowed stay in office after this says a lot about Ministerial accountability under FF. Her incompetence has been staggering.
She is a Fianna Fail Minister. We can take her incompetence for granted!


A viable, profitable, and growing Irish industry has been closed down - and she hasn't even raised a hand to try to stop it happening.
It is hardly a growing industry - never mind viable or profitable!

Without significant handouts from the taxpayer it would never have existed.

Coughlan turned her back on the Carlow plant before it closed, and she has done the same here. Its clear that Coughlan was telling different stories to both the IFA and Greencore in an effort to placate everyone. Unfortunately they were both given a barrel of lies. It seems now that when she was in Brussels negotiating this "deal", she didn't even know the full facts herself.
Coughlan had nothing to do with the closure of Carlow.


She was unable to provide information to ANYONE on the restructuring levy and who would be liable for it; how the rest of the compensation would be allocated (between farmers and Greencore) and the qualifying criteria for the compensation itself.
They have to give the compensation to Greencore - they are a big business - but they have to mask it from the farmers, otherwise the farmers might vote for the Greens (or FG, God forbid!)

She basically shrugged her shoulders, washed her hands of it, and left it to Greencore and the farmers to sort out between themselves.

I can't think of any Minister in recent years who has been shown up to be so incompetent, and totally out of her depth in their brief. Even Mary O' Rourke's catastrophic time at Public Enterprise wasn't this bad.

Coughlan should be sacked for this disaster. God help us if Bird Flu hits our shores, and this woman is charged with defending us from it
Oh grow up. I remember Ivan Yates sucking up to Monsanto in 1996 and ignoring the evidence that GM crops would be a disaster for Irish Agriculture.

But I do agree with you about Bird Flu - and so do the Public Health Doctors.
 

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BarryW said:
A viable, profitable, and growing Irish industry has been closed down - and she hasn't even raised a hand to try to stop it happening.
Is there anything you are not prepared to say?
 

BarryW

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Biffo said:
Is there anything you are not prepared to say?
If you think I'm wrong then please tell us why
 

CrockerJarman

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Nice one Barbie.

Since Thurles in the 80's Fianna Fail Governments have wiped out the Beet Industry.

Only a fool would have put Coughlan into Agriculture House.
 
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BarryW said:
Biffo said:
Is there anything you are not prepared to say?
If you think I'm wrong then please tell us why
The EU agreed last Nov a 36 percent price cut for white sugar over four years beginning in 2006/07 to ensure sustainable market balance, -20 percent in year one, -27.5 percent in year two, -35 percent in year three and -36 percent in year four.

So a 36% drop in price while production costs rise about 3-5% annually.

From 2009, the world’s poorest countries will have completely free access to our market.

Sugar is one product where there aren't many options to climb up the "value chain."
 

Biffo

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The only issue to be resolved is the allocation of the compensation (a decent package achieved by the minister) to farmers and Greencore, who have shown a sudden interest in getting compensated. It is a tricky one for the minister but it should be remembered that Greencore are not short of a few bob.
 

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MichaelHennigan said:
BarryW said:
Biffo said:
Is there anything you are not prepared to say?
If you think I'm wrong then please tell us why
The EU agreed last Nov a 36 percent price cut for white sugar over four years beginning in 2006/07 to ensure sustainable market balance, -20 percent in year one, -27.5 percent in year two, -35 percent in year three and -36 percent in year four.

So a 36% drop in price while production costs rise about 3-5% annually.

From 2009, the world’s poorest countries will have completely free access to our market.

Sugar is one product where there aren't many options to climb up the "value chain."
Fine Gael have been calling for the Minister to convene a sugar summit for the past two years between growers, employees and Greencore in order to deal with the post-production scenario at both Carlow and now Mallow.

The thing with Mary Coughlan is not only is she a bad minister, she is also a coward as well. She ran away and hid on this issue and failed to even acknowledge the existence of the stakeholders let alone engage.

Same goes for the Nitrate Directive, again passing the buck, twittering the eyelashes and hiding this time behind Dick Roche.

The game is up for FF and the farming vote the next time.

FG will see to that.
 

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Greencore sugar plant closure 'not necessary' - RT News

The European Court of Auditors has found that the closure of the Greencore sugar plant in Mallow in 2006, with the loss of 240 jobs, may not have been necessary

Fine Gael Agriculture, Fisheries and Food Spokesperson Andrew Doyle said the report leads to the inescapable conclusion that the Government of the time was asleep at the wheel.

Labour Agriculture Spokesperson Sean Sherlock said that in the wake of the finding, serious questions arise as to the suitability of Mary Coughlan for high office.

Mary Coughlan resign now!

Joke!
 

Paddy Sarkozy

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As a general rule any industry whose economy was based on the slave trade is one to be avoided for multiple reasons, not least of them being health.
Apart from having its origins in the slave plantations of the Caribbean, white sugar is BAD for humans for the simple reason that any good in the cane has long been removed by processing, so the closure of our sugar processing plants, jobs aside, is to be welcomed as part of a great leap forward to a healthier, stronger Ireland.
White sugar is certainly linked with widespread tooth decay and diabetes, and may even be a cause of cancer in thousands. So in the end, we are all better off without it.
Brown sugar ain't much better, but it does retain a small amount of 'good' stuff, albeit stuff we can all do with out.
It's time to remember that sugar only became widely used in Ireland thanks to the harvesting of cane in the West Indies by African slaves, and our own sugar beet processing industry developed out of that - before sugar cane and the slave trade, we got all our 'sweeteners' from honey, of which Ireland was the leading producer iin all of Europe and Africa over a thousand years ago when 70% of the country was populated by farming monks.
That's why instead of seeing the closure of sugar factories as a bad thing, we should see it instead as a superb opportunity for our country to once again return to our honey making roots, again becoming the leading producer across Europe, creating thousands of jobs in the process and making the people of our country far healthier and long lived too.
 

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It is timely to revisit this topic in light of today's revelation that the decision to close Mallow was based on oudated information. What a sell-out by Calamity Coughlan!:mad:
 

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It is timely to revisit this topic in light of today's revelation that the decision to close Mallow was based on oudated information. What a sell-out by Calamity Coughlan!:mad:
She will probably tell us "She knew exactly what was happening and that she acted on the best possible advice at the time from highly paid experts," just like Lendahand did / does.

Why can't we start growing sugar again and sell it to the EU, they wouldn't need to import it from so far away.

Oh sorry there are still countries in the EU that didn't have just 1 company processing sugar beet. France and Germany being the top 2 producers, no surprises there.
 

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As a general rule any industry whose economy was based on the slave trade is one to be avoided for multiple reasons, not least of them being health.
oh FFS.
Have you stopped wearing cotton jocks so ?

Apart from having its origins in the slave plantations of the Caribbean, white sugar is BAD for humans for the simple reason that any good in the cane has long been removed by processing, so the closure of our sugar processing plants, jobs aside, is to be welcomed as part of a great leap forward to a healthier, stronger Ireland.
White sugar is certainly linked with widespread tooth decay and diabetes, and may even be a cause of cancer in thousands. So in the end, we are all better off without it.
It is excessive use of sugar you eejit.
And it is excessive use of any foodstuff that is bad.

Fair enough white sugar is not as good as brown, but what about turning the plants towards biofuels ?
Oh and who gives a feck if we are exporting the sugar or are putting it in things like the Jellybeans that an Irish manufacturer now makes.

Your diatriate reads like those of the greens and the purveyors of the nanny state syndrom.

Brown sugar ain't much better, but it does retain a small amount of 'good' stuff, albeit stuff we can all do with out.
It's time to remember that sugar only became widely used in Ireland thanks to the harvesting of cane in the West Indies by African slaves, and our own sugar beet processing industry developed out of that - before sugar cane and the slave trade, we got all our 'sweeteners' from honey, of which Ireland was the leading producer iin all of Europe and Africa over a thousand years ago when 70% of the country was populated by farming monks.
What the f*** are you smoking, because it is definetly far worse effects than a pound of sugar ?
70% of the country was farming monks ?
Shoudl we also ban the use of potatoes or tomatoes since they only same into being in this part of the world thanks to the new World being discovered by Southern Europeans.

That's why instead of seeing the closure of sugar factories as a bad thing, we should see it instead as a superb opportunity for our country to once again return to our honey making roots, again becoming the leading producer across Europe, creating thousands of jobs in the process and making the people of our country far healthier and long lived too.
Have you been stung recently ?
It might explain a few things.

She will probably tell us "She knew exactly what was happening and that she acted on the best possible advice at the time from highly paid experts," just like Lendahand did / does.

Why can't we start growing sugar again and sell it to the EU, they wouldn't need to import it from so far away.

Oh sorry there are still countries in the EU that didn't have just 1 company processing sugar beet. France and Germany being the top 2 producers, no surprises there.
Their incompetence knows no bounds it now appears.
 

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Mallow's mistake was not being in Donegal.

Mad.
 

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Shafted.

This is another example of the Irish people who have been shafted and sold out by our so-called leaders...They should be tried for treason...:mad:
 

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More evidence that this government was, at best, asleep at the wheel, or, more likely, totally incompetent.
 

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Greencore sugar plant closure 'not necessary' - RT News

Fine Gael Agriculture, Fisheries and Food Spokesperson Andrew Doyle said the report leads to the inescapable conclusion that the Government of the time was asleep at the wheel.

Labour Agriculture Spokesperson Sean Sherlock said that in the wake of the finding, serious questions arise as to the suitability of Mary Coughlan for high office.
Mary Coughlan resign now!

Joke!
LOL tell us something we do not and did not know? :D

There is no point in Mary Coughlan or Biffo resigning at this point. That would be like appointing a new Captain to the Titanic after it hit the iceberg. It will change nothing!

Nearly all industry and especially agriculture used slave labour in times past. Sugar is a valuable product used in many edible and non-edible products. Global demand for sugar was in an inevitable state of decline then there would be justification for shutting sugar plants. But this is not the case! Therefore there was no reason to shut a productive and profitable plant.

I blame this on the EU bureaucrats. When such people are allowed to make such decisions they are nearly always wrong. The twits did not even base their decision on current proper data.
 
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