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Debunking the myth about high numbers of migrants on social welfar


Don Herron

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A new report from the Central Statistics Office shows a huge fall off in the numbers of foreign nationals coming to Ireland seeking work. Just 58,300 foreigners of working age got PPSN numbers in 2011. This is compared to 204,000 in 2006. From 2002-2011 we truly became a diverse, multicultural country with 1.148 million foreigners of working age coming to Ireland and being allocated PPSN numbers.

Possibly the most interesting part of the report demolishes the racist myth that immigrants only come for the welfare:

The CSO report on Foreign Nationals shows that the huge drop-off in employment levels since 2006 has not resulted in a corresponding increase in social welfare claims.

Only 28pc of those allocated PPSN numbers that year were claiming welfare in 2011.

And that number would include thousands of parents whose only welfare claim was for child benefit payments.

Among migrants who came here in 2011, social welfare uptake was just 9pc.

The Integration Centre, which works with immigrants, said the report debunks the myth about high numbers of migrants on social welfare.
- See more at: 1m migrants arrived but only 25pc still working here in 2011 - Independent.ie
 

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A new report from the Central Statistics Office shows a huge fall off in the numbers of foreign nationals coming to Ireland seeking work.
I remember there used to be any amount of advertisements for job opportunities in Ireland in the service of the international corporations who had settled in Ireland due to, ahem, encouraging business environment. As I got it, they were mainly looking for native speakers of different European languages to work in the customer service.

There probably isn't any statistics about the nationalities of the immigrants and their respective rates of employment?
 

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A new report from the Central Statistics Office shows a huge fall off in the numbers of foreign nationals coming to Ireland seeking work. Just 58,300 foreigners of working age got PPSN numbers in 2011. This is compared to 204,000 in 2006. From 2002-2011 we truly became a diverse, multicultural country with 1.148 million foreigners of working age coming to Ireland and being allocated PPSN numbers.

Possibly the most interesting part of the report demolishes the racist myth that immigrants only come for the welfare:
The article you have quoted says.

Only 58,300 foreigners of working age were assigned PPSN numbers in 2011, compared with almost 204,000 in 2006. And just 21,800 of them got jobs,
So 36 500 non-Irish came here in the teeth of the worst recession ever and had no job. You know what people will say Don don't you?
 

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A new report from the Central Statistics Office shows a huge fall off in the numbers of foreign nationals coming to Ireland seeking work. Just 58,300 foreigners of working age got PPSN numbers in 2011. This is compared to 204,000 in 2006. From 2002-2011 we truly became a diverse, multicultural country with 1.148 million foreigners of working age coming to Ireland and being allocated PPSN numbers.

Possibly the most interesting part of the report demolishes the racist myth that immigrants only come for the welfare:
by coincidence was reading them stats last night. could not fokin believe the following quote......
"Of the 1,148,800 foreign nationals aged 15 and over who received
PPSNs in the period 2002–2011, 310,400 recorded some employment
in Ireland during 2011".

facepalm wouldnt even scratch the surface.

if 1,148,800 were over 15, how many were under 15?
 

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You do know its saturday ?, you do know our resident racists like a good lie in and a big breakfast on saturdays ? you do realise you have just ruined their day ?
The good Don is a racist himself, don't you know. He proudly proclaimed here once that he chooses which taxi to use on the basis of the skin colour of the driver.
 

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The report states: In 2011, 37% of foreign nationals with new PPSNs had employment activity during the year.

How does this debunk anything unless you have comparative statistics of welfare receipt by place of birth?

One in five unemployed in 2011 were non Irish nationals · TheJournal.ie

According to the CSO the rate of unemployment among non Irish people in 2011 was 22 percent compared with a rate of 18.5 percent among Irish people.
Nigerians had the highest unemployment rate amongst non nationals at 39 per cent while nationals from the Nordic countries had the lowest rates.
 

Cato

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by coincidence was reading them stats last night. could not fokin believe the following quote......
"Of the 1,148,800 foreign nationals aged 15 and over who received
PPSNs in the period 2002–2011, 310,400 recorded some employment
in Ireland during 2011".

facepalm wouldnt even scratch the surface.
Some of them may no longer be in the state or could be in education. They do look like extraordinary numbers when set against our population.
 

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by coincidence was reading them stats last night. could not fokin believe the following quote......
"Of the 1,148,800 foreign nationals aged 15 and over who received
PPSNs in the period 2002–2011, 310,400 recorded some employment
in Ireland during 2011".

facepalm wouldnt even scratch the surface.

if 1,148,800 were over 15, how many were under 15?
And they breed like rabbits.

The free prams are costing us a fortune.
 

Cato

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And they breed like rabbits.

The free prams are costing us a fortune.
And then clog up the paths at every bus stop. An average of 93 prams a week were gathered off the streets of Galway last year.
 

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Of the 1,148,800 foreign nationals aged 15 and over who received PPSNs in the period 2002-2011, 310,400 recorded some employment in Ireland during 2011. 37% of the 117,500 immigrants who entered Ireland over the past two years had employment on arrival. The CSO have released many documents/data but if you dig deep enough you get the overall picture. The 33,085 new registrants who signed on the live register in the one month, February 2013, were not all people who lost their jobs.
CSO - Central Statistics Office Ireland - Latest Releases - 1 March 2013

People manipulate figures to suit their own agenda, eg,there are over 10,000 students still waiting for their grants according to the media but the Department of Education are saying the number is less than 6,000. You takes your pick or is it your shovel
 
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Lempo

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There probably isn't any statistics about the nationalities of the immigrants and their respective rates of employment?
Lazy me, they had some of that info in the linked statistics. Your racist myths about the Nordics coming for the welfare got debunked for good, racists.
 

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Interesting statistics. Out of all the unemployed non nationals 2 out of 5 are from Nigeria. What I would like to know is what percentage of non nationals in the 1.148 million quoted by Don Herron come from this country.?
 

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Among migrants who came here in 2011, social welfare uptake was just 9pc
That figure should be 0pc, I can't just travel to the country of my choice and start claiming the dole despite having never worked there, well except Spain, but they'll soon be waking up and smelling the coffee.
 

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Some of them may no longer be in the state or could be in education. They do look like extraordinary numbers when set against our population.
It's not that some of them MAY not be in the State - it's that half of them are gone. In 2011 there were about 545k non-Irish in Ireland in total.

And that figure of 310,400 recorded working in 2011 just includes those who received PPS numbers between 2002-11.
 

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It is unfair to punish workers with multiple cuts and taxes while not cutting dole even a single penny.
 

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It is unfair to punish workers with multiple cuts and taxes while not cutting dole even a single penny.
You should probably tell that to the politicians who promised no welfare cuts at the last election.
 

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37% of foreign nationals working in 2011 - CSO figures | BreakingNews.ie

its all about interpretation , i read it like 67% of foreign nationals are sponging our social welfare from the above article
Well first off, I don't know where you come up with 67%. And given that the article says nothing AT ALL about the number of people claiming social welfare, it seems like you're jumping to ridiculous conclusions.

It's a BIZARRE headline. That 37% figure is completely unsupported by anything else that's mentioned in the article. It talks about a percentage of foreign nationals, but then refers specifically ONLY to those who received PPS numbers between 2002-11. There were 1.15m foreign people in that category. It then says that 310,000 of
those recorded some employment here in 2011.

But by 2011 the TOTAL number of foreign people living in Ireland was 544,357. Most of those that came between 2002 and 2011 went back, moved on, left college, whatever. We know that 310,000 of them were working in 2011, which is 57% of the total resident foreign population, not 37%. And that's before we take into account those foreign nationals who were here prior to 2002, of whom there were another 224,300 (103,476 of whom were British). Every one of them that was working in 2011 further discredits that headline.

EDIT: Looking at the CSO website I see the journalist's mistake. It is TOTAL bollock*s to say that "only 37% of foreign nationals living here were working in 2011". That number pertains only to those foreign nationals over 15 who were issued PPS numbers in 2011. They've taken that figure and extrapolated it to the entire foreign population. Wrongly.
 
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