Democratic socialists of america conference

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this is worth a watch, who are these people? they have been called trustafarians, the Downton Abbey of politics. In one way they are a joke but they do have an effect on the Democrats. do they have any policies? whats their position on the Fed?

 


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More seriously and to the point of the OP, it is one of the more interesting aspects of recent American political dynamics, the emerging social respectability of socialism as a principle in the US.

It is pretty much mainstream now in US politics which would have been unthinkable in the Reagan or even as recently as the Bush and Clinton regimes.

The older I get the more I notice the convenience of the pendulum as a way of explaining how a particularly focused attempt on power always produces a reaction, and I'd say here we have the barrel-scraping of Trump producing a reaction in the normally mid-stream public in the US toward the other end of the rightwing swing of the last few decades.

I'm not saying I expect any kind of democratic socialist sweep to power in the US or anything like that but it is just as interesting to see the pendulum of a future re-balancing of the middle in reaction to the opposing swing through the establishment.
 

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Heh. Donald Trump's only lasting legacy may be the Donald Trump Library and One-Armed Bandit Emporium and his contribution to the removal of stigma around democratic socialism in the United States.

He'd love that, I'm sure. Even Melania might find that amusing.
 

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it is a spectacle though, i understand that there will always be a loony left but this demonstration would have been impossible 20 years ago . these people are probably working in education etc. its a freak show
 

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'probably working in education' ... just out of curiosity, what made you reach that conclusion?

I'd be interested in the process of logic or whether it is a very overt decision to characterise as stage one of a plan to demonise?
 

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There are issues with the DSA - but the membership has gone from 5,000 to well over 50,000 since Trump was elected. In the same time Socialist Alternative - the sister party of the Socialist Party - has seen its membership increase ten-fold, like the DSA.

The establishment in the US are terrified of socialist ideas getting a foothold - e. g. the PAC have a war chest of over $2.5million in an attempt to unseat Socialist Alternative city councillor, Kshama Sawant, in Seattle. The main proponent in the attempt to remove Kshama Sawant from the city council is Amazon owner Joe Bezos - the richest man in the world is so afraid of one socialist councillor that he is using $1.5million of his own money to defeat her - and $millions more in lobbying to reverse the policies she has succeeded in having implemented.
 

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It would be interesting to see the Republicans in particular trying to attack the Democratic Socialist emergence in the US as somehow privileged.

These would be the solid establishment boys of Princeton and Yale in the background, hidden behind the current used-car salesman recumbent before the Fox TV shrine he keeps in the corner of the White House Oval Office.

Bet there haven't been many socialists among the young gentlemen of the Skull & Crossbones society, nor among their Bryn Mawr lady-wimmin friends neither.
 

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this is worth a watch, who are these people? they have been called trustafarians, the Downton Abbey of politics. In one way they are a joke but they do have an effect on the Democrats. do they have any policies? whats their position on the Fed?
Will a party built by snowflakes and the mentally ill be successful? Tough question.
 

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There are issues with the DSA - but the membership has gone from 5,000 to well over 50,000 since Trump was elected. In the same time Socialist Alternative - the sister party of the Socialist Party - has seen its membership increase ten-fold, like the DSA.

The establishment in the US are terrified of socialist ideas getting a foothold - e. g. the PAC have a war chest of over $2.5million in an attempt to unseat Socialist Alternative city councillor, Kshama Sawant, in Seattle. The main proponent in the attempt to remove Kshama Sawant from the city council is Amazon owner Joe Bezos - the richest man in the world is so afraid of one socialist councillor that he is using $1.5million of his own money to defeat her - and $millions more in lobbying to reverse the policies she has succeeded in having implemented.
Why is it that parties on the left always see their opponents as fearful rather than as people with a different political philosophy?
 

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Mostly because establishment parties are the parties of resistance to change rather than being agents for any discernible positive message.

And socialism will always be a seductive message for the poor. And in the US there are increasingly only two demographic classes, the wealthy and the poor. The 'working poor' is what we used to call the lower middle class.
 

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It would be interesting to see the Republicans in particular trying to attack the Democratic Socialist emergence in the US as somehow privileged.

These would be the solid establishment boys of Princeton and Yale in the background, hidden behind the current used-car salesman recumbent before the Fox TV shrine he keeps in the corner of the White House Oval Office.

Bet there haven't been many socialists among the young gentlemen of the Skull & Crossbones society, nor among their Bryn Mawr lady-wimmin friends neither.
they aint working class children of coal miners. my guess is that they are middle class "failure to lift" types , been to college but have 50k in debt with only a dumb college degree to show for. there wont be many engineers or trainee surgeons in that group.
 

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There's that suspicious little tell, again,... 'my guess is'... do you realise you are just projecting your own dislikes on what looks like a group of traditional enemies for people of your worldview?

You are just reinforcing your own comfortable stereotypes.
 

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they aint working class children of coal miners. my guess is that they are middle class "failure to lift" types , been to college but have 50k in debt with only a dumb college degree to show for. there wont be many engineers or trainee surgeons in that group.
Nor many philosophers either.

A great many Gender Studies graduates though. The sort who think that Gender Studies is a serious academic discipline rather than the sort who see it as a means to a sinecure.
 

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Probably all lesbian, too, I shouldn't wonder. Hey, this game of inflating a balloon of supposition is quite entertaining.
 

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There's that suspicious little tell, again,... 'my guess is'... do you realise you are just projecting your own dislikes on what looks like a group of traditional enemies for people of your worldview?

You are just reinforcing your own comfortable stereotypes.
When you don't quote the post you're replying to you're being disrespectful to your readers and the person you're replying to.
 


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