Denis Naughten - Minister for Climate Inaction: Fianna Fail levels of incompetence

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I was watching Prime Time the other night and I had to laugh (or was it cry) at the complete bullshít being spun by Denis Naughten in relation to climate change.

It was pointed out to him that the taxpayer subsidises every job in Bord Na Mona to the tune of €100,000 per year.

But the average pay in Bord Na Mona is only €50,000 per year.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/crazy-maths-makes-nonsense-of-irish-climate-change-policy-1.3530732

If the peat-fired power stations were closed tomorrow, and the workers involved continued to be employed on their current wages, subsidising these jobs would only cost €50 million, not €100 million. Electricity consumers would pay less to subsidise these jobs, and Ireland’s greenhouse gas emissions would fall substantially as a result of discontinuing this polluting fuel use.
We could close down BNM in the morning, reduce the subsidy by half, and still pay all the workers the same salary as they are getting today.

Not only that, but we would reduce the emissions from an exceptionally polluting fuel - shutting down the turf fired power stations would reduce our climate change emissions by 4% -as well as create a carbon sink by re-wetting the bogs (wet bogs take CO2 out of the air and store it in the bog).

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/forestry-enviro/environment/bord-na-mna-digging-deep-to-rewet-thousands-of-acres-of-bog-36998517.html

“Once the bog is wet, the live mosses which build the bog will return in force. In locations like this, when the live mosses are active again the bog can return to being a carbon sink.

“We hear a lot about the effectiveness of rainforests in this regard but Irish bogs can be just as effective in drawing down and storing carbon.
Naughten's response (using Martin Cullen standard trigger words - must have used the same PR company for media training) was to waffle on about how these emissions are accounted for. To him it doesn't matter whether we reduce emissions, as long as he gets credit for it. The way these (massive) emissions from burning peat are accounted for wouldn't give him any credit, so he isn't interested.

Gobshyte!


But this isn't the only time he has played this game.

When Ireland was reported to be the second most useless Country in Europe when it came to reducing climate change emissions, Naughten "rejected" it (Martin Cullen's favourite phrase when called out on his bullshítting was "I reject that").

Naughten waffled on about all the things the Government are talking about doing.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/naughten-rejects-ireland-s-low-ranking-for-climate-change-1.3535304

Mr Naughten cited key investment priorities that will have an impact on Ireland’s climate targets including:

Transitioning Moneypoint power station away from coal by 2025;

Energy efficiency upgrades of 45,000 homes a year from 2021 and providing support for a rollout of heat pump technologies;

Delivering energy upgrades to all public buildings and a minimum of one-third of commercial buildings;

Implementing a Renewable Electricity Support Scheme to deliver an additional 3,000-4,500mw of renewable energy with initial focus on “shovel-ready projects”;

Rollout of a support scheme for renewable heat energy and a national smart metering programme;

At least 500,000 electric vehicles on the road by 2030; and

A €500 million climate action fund to leverage investment by public and private bodies in climate actions.
But he offered no immediate solutions to try and reverse the growth in climate change emissions - it's not that we are failing to reduce emissions fast enough. Ireland is actually increasing emissions year on year.

Mr Naughten said the conclusions failed to reflect Ireland’s stated ambition on climate action.

“We are, as a country, playing catch-up on our obligations in relation to climate change. This is as much our opportunity as our obligation. In any event it is a moral necessity and a vital national interest. Addressing climate change and our climate targets out to 2030 and beyond is at the top of the policy agenda for the Government.”
But when it comes to actually reversing the trend of increasing pollution, nada.

Zilch.

Sweet F**k All.


Another example of Naughten's comlete and utter incompetence lies in the area of plastic pollution.

He has rubbished a plan to introduce a returnable deposit scheme for plastic bottles.

https://denisnaughten.ie/2018/05/23/politics-rather-than-solving-plastic-problems-were-a-bigger-priority-for-environment-committee/

There was just one issue which would not allow me to ensure that this Bill went to the next stage and that was the compulsory nature of introducing a Deposit and Return Scheme (DRS). I am not opposed to a deposit and return scheme in principle, but because it would cost approximately €116 million of taxpayers’ money to implement, I need to be absolutely positive that it would work and be effective.
No it wouldn't cost €116 million of taxpayers money.

It would cost €116 million (or probably a lot less) of REPAK's money.

Put the onus on industry to fix the problem/

They make money out of causing the problem.

Let them find a way to make money out of fixing the problem.

But instead of agreeing to this, opposition members wanted to force the spending of €116 million on a scheme to improve recycling rates by 1% while imposing a cost of an extra €1 per lift on a families’ recycling bin.
This is a lie.


Furthermore when such a model was looked at in Spain they found that the extra transport involved in a deposit and return scheme would lead to a carbon negative footprint which is something identified by Environmental Protection Agencies across the EU.
This is a lie.


But the best part of this debate was when he talked on radio recently (Today SOR) about a deposit scheme that was run at a music festival. He noted that kids made a fortune going around picking up waste and bringing it back to claim the deposit.

He thought (or pretended to think) that this showed the failure of the system.

In fact, this showed the potential success of the system.

Imagine if people were to go out and pick up the litter on the beaches, or on the side of the road, and were able to get paid for it (by REPAK, not the taxpayer).

Think how little litter there would be.


Naughten is an incompetent.

Totally useless.

Needs a P45.

Discuss.
 


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A friend of mine has told me that Ireland ranks second in the world in energy efficiency per unit of GDP.

He quotes a researcher called Whitehead.

Isolating the bnm seems to miss the point therefore.
 

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I had a quick google there and see i can get up to nearly six grand scrappage on my old diesel off a new yoke ....

If i want to go down the electric bike route ( i'd need a heavy duty cargo type ) i'm expected to sell my heap for a few hundred euro which means it doesn't go out of circulation and then fund the several thousand extra the rip off merchants on Treasure Island charge for the few models they have or can get that are out there....

The state if it's serious about tackling climate change and congestion in urban areas should have a scrappage scheme for electric bikes and simply crush the car that's traded against one...
 

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I had a quick google there and see i can get up to nearly six grand scrappage on my old diesel off a new yoke ....

If i want to go down the electric bike route ( i'd need a heavy duty cargo type ) i'm expected to sell my heap for a few hundred euro which means it doesn't go out of circulation and then fund the several thousand extra the rip off merchants on Treasure Island charge for the few models they have or can get that are out there....

The state if it's serious about tackling climate change and congestion in urban areas should have a scrappage scheme for electric bikes and simply crush the car that's traded against one...
socialist virtue-signallers whinge about "equality" to screw free handouts from the taxpayer.

greenie virtue-signallers whine about "climate change" to do the same thing.

Neither of these groups give a damn about anything but their own financial interest.

That I can tell you.
 

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But what do we expect from the tossers...they are not up to making decisions that are in the common good or saving money where it should, or answer why we got three new managers in the HSE every week and not three doctors or three frontline staff that are actually needed. Inept, unable and unwilling to change...thats our lot, well salaried and pensioned wastrels.
 

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But what do we expect from the tossers...they are not up to making decisions that are in the common good or saving money where it should, or answer why we got three new managers in the HSE every week and not three doctors or three frontline staff that are actually needed. Inept, unable and unwilling to change...thats our lot, well salaried and pensioned wastrels.
It the EU's fault - they keep horse trading and giving Ireland exemptions from environmental targets.

Additionally, one of the cunningest sh1thouse rats ever produced in Ireland is the EU Agriculture Commissioner. And he genuinely couldn't give a fukc about the environment. I suspect that he was breastfed pure slurry.
 

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Naughten is an inbred bog fascist parasite. Basically a Healy Rae who washes every day and has advisers.
 

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Denis is only interested in making money from his many friends in the refuse collection industry, he has made it so that these companies like panda greyhound etc have a license to print money for themselves with the pay by weight laws.
 

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The problem for politicians is that closing the turf burning stations will result in the election of turf burning candidates in Laois or Offaly so its not going to happen - its the same reason why local hospitals can't be closed, they are economic resources not places to cure sick people. Its far harder to explain the reluctance to replace plastics or introduce a deposit scheme. In North America, the bastion of free market capitalism, they never used plastic grocery bags and many states and most Canadian provinces have deposits on beer cans. They also sell milk in cardboard cartons rather than plastic and still sell coke in large glass bottles. There is absolutely no economic argument against a deposit scheme nor a switch from plastic drink containers, its purely a political decision and currently it seems that those opposed to such measure have more clout than those in favour.
 

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A friend of mine has told me that Ireland ranks second in the world in energy efficiency per unit of GDP.
That makes no sense whatsoever.

Ireland's per capita emissions are more than 50% higher than the UK, than the EU average, than New York and Califormia.

It's like the banking bubble all over again.

We are so far off the reservation, but we refuse to acknowledge it.

But whenever it all goes tits up, we will get hit with a proportionally bigger knock back, because we are so far out of line.



He quotes a researcher called Whitehead.
Never heard of him.



Isolating the bnm seems to miss the point therefore.
The point is that;

a) Every tonne of carbon put into the atmosphere adds to the damage.
b) BNM accounts for 4% of our emissions.
c) Shut down BNM and save half of the subsidy
d) Shut down BNM and only have 96% of the emissions left to cut.


However, BNM is a big employer in Naughten's constituency.

And shur aren't we doing a lot of talking about Climate Change?
 

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Additionally, one of the cunningest sh1thouse rats ever produced in Ireland is the EU Agriculture Commissioner. And he genuinely couldn't give a fukc about the environment. I suspect that he was breastfed pure slurry.
Nationally, progress is impossible because rural Ireland has a drowning man's grip on politics. And rural Ireland is socially, culturally and economically spent. It's just not a place where any kind of meaningful strategy can be framed.

And the environment means nothing to them. Sure, you'll find rural folk burying everything from old armchairs to end of life cars in their immediate surroundings, without any thought for what that might do to their own water supply. Expecting that mindset to engage with climate action is way too much. I don't know where you could even start.
 

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If you shut down beef production in Ireland and sow trees on that land we would then import it from South America.

Probably clear some tropical forest to produce it and in doing so damage the environment.

Then we would use fossil fuel to transport it here.

Does not sound great.

We could all become vegan of course.
 

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If you shut down beef production in Ireland and sow trees on that land we would then import it from South America.

Probably clear some tropical forest to produce it and in doing so damage the environment.

Then we would use fossil fuel to transport it here.

Does not sound great.


We could all become vegan of course.
Vegetarian anyway.
 

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Denis is only interested in making money from his many friends in the refuse collection industry, he has made it so that these companies like panda greyhound etc have a license to print money for themselves with the pay by weight laws.
WHO VOTES FOR THESE PEOPLE...ARE THEY IMMUNE FROM THE STUPIDITY....or what.?
 

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I have a life.
If the gov keep charging the islanders money to save the world (we are an island of less than 5 mill) ....the only delusional ones along with the gov are the voters. Seriously do something about packaging, and stop pushing electric cars and roping people into the illusion that they are not going to fleece them for it. They will charge 300€ pa for electric cars, tax the home bought chargers and make a complete mess of the 'savings' right back into their own pockets as pension and entitlements.

Join the EEC and we can all buy goods from our 'neighbours'....first thing they did was dream up VRT and stop you buying port from our EEC shops. Ffuucckk the lot of them. liars and moneymakers one and all. More than one way to skin a cat but really the Irish are pussies in the WORST sense of the word.
 

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Naughten's response (using Martin Cullen standard trigger words - must have used the same PR company for media training) was to waffle on about how these emissions are accounted for. To him it doesn't matter whether we reduce emissions, as long as he gets credit for it. The way these (massive) emissions from burning peat are accounted for wouldn't give him any credit, so he isn't interested.
Maybe you could explain this point.
 

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Denis is only interested in making money from his many friends in the refuse collection industry, he has made it so that these companies like panda greyhound etc have a license to print money for themselves with the pay by weight laws.
It's time for the CAB to have a long hard look at Ministers' bank accounts and investments.
 

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Maybe you could explain this point.
Our emissions, per capita, are about 150% of what they should be (even before we start cutting back).

Naughten's response to a proposal to cut back emissions by 4% was dismissed because it would come from pot A instead of pot B.

As if the climate gives a flying f**k which notional "pot" the reductions in emissions come from.


Here's what he said.

"The emissions from peat are not calculated into the emissions cap that we have here in Ireland. They are in a completely different calculation".

"If the peat plant closed down [ ] tomorrow morning, it would have no impact in relation to the targets that we as a country have to achieve".

From about 22.30 in https://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/prime-time-30003251/10903911/?ap=1
 

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So many political people have connections to the same people who own the land that illegal quarries were opened on to provide sand and stone for major road works and those quarries were then mostly used for illegal dumping by the same people. Other Quarries are used for stockpiling of construction goods such as sewage and other infrastructural concrete pipework produced by the same people. There are a number of these areas between Kilcullen and Carlow around the Bolton Hill area.
 

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socialist virtue-signallers whinge about "equality" to screw free handouts from the taxpayer.

greenie virtue-signallers whine about "climate change" to do the same thing.

Neither of these groups give a damn about anything but their own financial interest.

That I can tell you.
Friends of the Earth run by self appointed Oisin Coughlan gets 400,000 euros annually for virtue signaling.
 


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