Denis O'Brien: utterances in the Dail which can be published (please add)

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It has been decided by the High Court that art. 15 means what it says and Denis O'Brien or anyone else, cannot prevent the republication of utterances of the Dail.

Mainstream media and Politics.ie have a nervous approach to doing so, but here is a flavour of some comments made in the Dail about Mr. O'Brien. No comment is made on the utterances and they are presented as what was said there and they are not published as proving the contents of the statements themselves. Mr O'Brien (or anyone else) can have recourse to the Oireachtas internal procedures to protect his constitutional right to a good name.

Please add any other relevant utterances https://www.kildarestreet.com/

“Further, the Court in Kerins has made it clear that utterances and reports of Committees also fall within the immunity of Article 15, s. 13, provided they do not fall within the Haughey-Abbeylara principle. That being so, it is difficult to see how the Court could possibly have jurisdiction to pass judgment upon the Committee’s conclusions.”
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“Locally, by which I mean in this state, since 2008, 65,000 workers have been affected by the closure of defined benefit schemes. Some 2,500 schemes of this nature existed a decade ago and today there are only 700. The most recent illustration of this was prior to Christmas with what I would call the raid by Denis O'Brien's Independent News & Media and his cohort of very wealthy people on the retirement earnings of those workers in INM whose pensions had been cut by 40%, many of them moved on to a defined contribution pension scheme and a new proposal was brought in to further cut it by 30%. The effect of this so-called commercially sensible proposal was that the workers, many of whom have worked there for more than 40 years and who would expected to get a pension of €30,000 to €40,000 a year will now see their pension fall to €15,000 to €16,000 a year, despite having made significant contributions to their pension scheme. That is a direct swap from the pockets of pensioners and workers to the pockets of Denis O'Brien and the very wealthy in this country.”
Dail Eireann, 7th February, 2017, Brid Smith TD

“One debtor, Denis O'Brien, alleged that he was offered an interest rate via a verbal agreement outside of the normal functioning of the IBRC credit committee. It is not sufficient for the Taoiseach to say it is difficult to resolve. The question is whether this was an acceptable practice for a bank tasked with getting the optimum return for citizens”
https://www.kildarestreet.com/debates/?id=2015-12 08a.444&s=%22denis+o%27brien%22+corruption#g448
Dail Eireann, Catherine Murphy TD, 8 December, 2015

The former chairman of IBRC is the former leader of Fine Gael. Siteserv owed IBRC €150 million and it was sold for €45 million to a company owned by Denis O'Brien. It wrote down the debt by just over €100 million and shareholders received a €5 million backhander from the sale. That is incredible, given that the company was effectively bust.
Dail Eireann, Gerry Adams TD, 22nd April, 2015
https://www.kildarestreet.com/debates/?id=2015-04-22a.197&s="denis+o'brien"+corruption#g269
“The then Minister, Deputy Lowry, is accused of providing substantive information to Denis O'Brien which was "of significant value and assistance to him securing the licence", that is, the mobile phone licence. Rinne an t-Uasal Lowry é sin gan aon cáineadh ó Thaoiseach Fhine Gael ag an uair. The report states that Fine Gael benefited to the tune of $50,000 from the Minister's "profoundly corrupt behaviour". That money was handed over in the United States of America.”
Dail Eireann, 11th March, 2011, Gerry Adams TD39

“Many of the members of an old boys' network who have multiple business links, including shares in each other's companies, and were involved in the original deal will be involved in investigating this deal.

Lest we forget, the individual we are discussing was the subject of the Moriarty tribunal. Does the Government accept the findings of that tribunal? Is the Minister in a position to answer that question because the Government certainly sends out mixed signals on the issue? The tribunal found that "no conclusion can be arrived at, other than that repeated and clandestine courses of actions were adopted by persons intimately associated with Mr. O'Brien, to confer payments or other benefits upon Mr. Lowry, on behalf of Mr. O'Brien." The tribunal's report also detailed the various payments that were made.

Following the general election, the Taoiseach stated that he would "sever the links between politics and business once and for all and, in so doing, achieve three fundamental goals: stop the further pollution of our society; re-establish a moral code and order regarding public life; and, through that, restore public confidence in politics and government." Public confidence is at an all-time low following the events of recent weeks.

If the Government believes the findings of the Moriarty tribunal, which cost taxpayers €200 million, why was Denis O'Brien a guest of the Government at the Global Irish Economic Forum which, ironically, took place at Dublin Castle, the location of the hearings of the Moriarty tribunal? Why has Mr. O'Brien had such a strong relationship with the Fine Gael Party? The Taoiseach has seen fit to have many public meetings and engagements with Mr. O'Brien, including at the New York Stock Exchange.”
Dail Eireann, Ruth Coppinger TD, 10th June, 2015
 


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On this issue I agree with Coppinger.

Frances Fitzgerald is failing the public interest - yet again.
 

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On this issue I agree with Coppinger.

Frances Fitzgerald is failing the public interest - yet again.
But she's serving the interest of the golden circle and that's all that counts because don't you know their the real ones who run the wee gombeen state !!

 

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FG have serious questions to answer.

The DOBlin media are a parasite who are driven against the public interest.
 

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The difference is that everything said in the Dial has Dial privilage which meansTDs and Senators may not be sued for defamation because of any speech in the House (which is what the court confirmed when it dismissed his case) unlike what is published here on p.ie which is subject to the normal defamation laws!

Now those utterances are public record and I doubt he can stop them from being repeated!
 
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The difference is that everything said in the Dial has Dial privilage which meansTDs and Senators may not be sued for defamation because of any speech in the House (which is what the court confirmed when it dismissed his case) unlike what is published here on p.ie which is subject to the normal defamation laws!

Now those utterances are public record and I doubt he can stop them from being repeated!
...He tried and failed.
 

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dont do twittering nonsense
D o'B....Scumbag
No more needs to be said
 

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Paul Murphy the woody allen of irish politics hates DOB

if i had a euro for every time i heard paul mention DOB
 

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D o'B....Scumbag
No more needs to be said
Denis provides thousands of jobs

he pays more tax in a year than the people condemning him will ever pay in their pathetic pointless lifetime

they are parasites
 

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Denis provides thousands of jobs

he pays more tax in a year than the people condemning him will ever pay in their pathetic pointless lifetime

they are parasites
Unfortunately, the maltese government are the main beneficiaries of his largesse.
 

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i remember a man from AIB was on the frontline a couple of years ago

the crowd were regurgitating their hatred and frustration for banks

at some stage he made a comment that left them stunned ..

"I'm sorry but there are winners and losers "

that shut them up
 

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Denis provides thousands of jobs

he pays more tax in a year than the people condemning him will ever pay in their pathetic pointless lifetime

they are parasites
DOB personally pays more tax than the millions paid by thousands of people that hate him?
 

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DOB personally pays more tax than the millions paid by thousands of people that hate him?
Really?
So let's take five thousand average PAYE/PRSI workers who pay approx 10k per year in tax
That's €50 million.
Does Denis O' Brien "personally pay more" than €50 million in tax per year?
 

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It has been decided by the High Court that art. 15 means what it says and Denis O'Brien or anyone else, cannot prevent the republication of utterances of the Dail.

Mainstream media and Politics.ie have a nervous approach to doing so, but here is a flavour of some comments made in the Dail about Mr. O'Brien. No comment is made on the utterances and they are presented as what was said there and they are not published as proving the contents of the statements themselves. Mr O'Brien (or anyone else) can have recourse to the Oireachtas internal procedures to protect his constitutional right to a good name.

Please add any other relevant utterances https://www.kildarestreet.com/


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“Locally, by which I mean in this state, since 2008, 65,000 workers have been affected by the closure of defined benefit schemes. Some 2,500 schemes of this nature existed a decade ago and today there are only 700. The most recent illustration of this was prior to Christmas with what I would call the raid by Denis O'Brien's Independent News & Media and his cohort of very wealthy people on the retirement earnings of those workers in INM whose pensions had been cut by 40%, many of them moved on to a defined contribution pension scheme and a new proposal was brought in to further cut it by 30%. The effect of this so-called commercially sensible proposal was that the workers, many of whom have worked there for more than 40 years and who would expected to get a pension of €30,000 to €40,000 a year will now see their pension fall to €15,000 to €16,000 a year, despite having made significant contributions to their pension scheme. That is a direct swap from the pockets of pensioners and workers to the pockets of Denis O'Brien and the very wealthy in this country.”
Dail Eireann, 7th February, 2017, Brid Smith TD

“One debtor, Denis O'Brien, alleged that he was offered an interest rate via a verbal agreement outside of the normal functioning of the IBRC credit committee. It is not sufficient for the Taoiseach to say it is difficult to resolve. The question is whether this was an acceptable practice for a bank tasked with getting the optimum return for citizens”
https://www.kildarestreet.com/debates/?id=2015-12 08a.444&s=%22denis+o%27brien%22+corruption#g448
Dail Eireann, Catherine Murphy TD, 8 December, 2015

The former chairman of IBRC is the former leader of Fine Gael. Siteserv owed IBRC €150 million and it was sold for €45 million to a company owned by Denis O'Brien. It wrote down the debt by just over €100 million and shareholders received a €5 million backhander from the sale. That is incredible, given that the company was effectively bust.
Dail Eireann, Gerry Adams TD, 22nd April, 2015
https://www.kildarestreet.com/debates/?id=2015-04-22a.197&s="denis+o'brien"+corruption#g269
“The then Minister, Deputy Lowry, is accused of providing substantive information to Denis O'Brien which was "of significant value and assistance to him securing the licence", that is, the mobile phone licence. Rinne an t-Uasal Lowry é sin gan aon cáineadh ó Thaoiseach Fhine Gael ag an uair. The report states that Fine Gael benefited to the tune of $50,000 from the Minister's "profoundly corrupt behaviour". That money was handed over in the United States of America.”
Dail Eireann, 11th March, 2011, Gerry Adams TD39

“Many of the members of an old boys' network who have multiple business links, including shares in each other's companies, and were involved in the original deal will be involved in investigating this deal.

Lest we forget, the individual we are discussing was the subject of the Moriarty tribunal. Does the Government accept the findings of that tribunal? Is the Minister in a position to answer that question because the Government certainly sends out mixed signals on the issue? The tribunal found that "no conclusion can be arrived at, other than that repeated and clandestine courses of actions were adopted by persons intimately associated with Mr. O'Brien, to confer payments or other benefits upon Mr. Lowry, on behalf of Mr. O'Brien." The tribunal's report also detailed the various payments that were made.

Following the general election, the Taoiseach stated that he would "sever the links between politics and business once and for all and, in so doing, achieve three fundamental goals: stop the further pollution of our society; re-establish a moral code and order regarding public life; and, through that, restore public confidence in politics and government." Public confidence is at an all-time low following the events of recent weeks.

If the Government believes the findings of the Moriarty tribunal, which cost taxpayers €200 million, why was Denis O'Brien a guest of the Government at the Global Irish Economic Forum which, ironically, took place at Dublin Castle, the location of the hearings of the Moriarty tribunal? Why has Mr. O'Brien had such a strong relationship with the Fine Gael Party? The Taoiseach has seen fit to have many public meetings and engagements with Mr. O'Brien, including at the New York Stock Exchange.”
Dail Eireann, Ruth Coppinger TD, 10th June, 2015
Because the corrupt government is supporting him.
 

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i remember a man from AIB was on the frontline a couple of years ago

the crowd were regurgitating their hatred and frustration for banks

at some stage he made a comment that left them stunned ..

"I'm sorry but there are winners and losers "

that shut them up


In a rigged game, self-serving bollox.
 

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A masterly summation, if I may say so.
Which kind of scumbag do you prefer?
A D o'B type or a Paul Murphy type?
Oddly enough, the welfare cost of Malteser is much higher than it is of the baldy Trot.
 

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i remember a man from AIB was on the frontline a couple of years ago

the crowd were regurgitating their hatred and frustration for banks

at some stage he made a comment that left them stunned ..

"I'm sorry but there are winners and losers "

that shut them up

Do you think residential housing should be a game?
 


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