Denmark's efforts to force integration of immigrants

cyberianpan

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Denmark, as with the other Nordics, is a highly co-operative society

It seems they are shocked by the insular nature of indigent immigrants

I am ambivalent about their current & proposed response

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/07/01/world/europe/denmark-immigrant-ghettos.html
Starting at the age of 1, “ghetto children” must be separated from their families for at least 25 hours a week, not including nap time, for mandatory instruction in “Danish values,” including the traditions of Christmas and Easter, and Danish language. Noncompliance could result in a stoppage of welfare payments. Other Danish citizens are free to choose whether to enroll children in preschool up to the age of six.
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Some are punitive: One measure under consideration would allow courts to double the punishment for certain crimes if they are committed in one of the 25 neighborhoods classified as ghettos, based on residents’ income, employment status, education levels, number of criminal convictions and “non-Western background.”
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Nearly 87 percent of Denmark’s 5.7 million people are of Danish descent, with immigrants and their descendants accounting for the rest. Two-thirds of the immigrants, around half a million, are from Muslim backgrounds, a group that swelled with the waves of Afghan, Iraqi and Syrian refugees crossing Europe.
If the proposals dropped the religious tinge, then I think they have some merit

Denmark is offering an opportunity to these immigrants/refugees , and some tough love to make them take it, seems fair

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The Swedes could learn from the Danes but alas methinks the horse has bolted. Staunch feminism has been the ruination of Sweden.
 

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We are about 10 years behind where Denmark is now. 10 or 15 years ago, they had approximately 50,000 muslims and that number has swelled enormously to over 300,000.

There has been the consequent emergence of ghettoes and crime gangs which bedevil an otherwise idyllic country.

10 years ago people would dismiss the idea of tolerant Denmark introducing draconian measures to crack down on immigration but it has happened.

The Danes are simply fed up of it. If you want to see our future look at Denmark or Sweden.
 

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Denmark, as with the other Nordics, is a highly co-operative society

It seems they are shocked by the insular nature of indigent immigrants

I am ambivalent about their current & proposed response

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/07/01/world/europe/denmark-immigrant-ghettos.html


If the proposals dropped the religious tinge, then I think they have some merit

Denmark is offering an opportunity to these immigrants/refugees , and some tough love to make them take it, seems fair

Cyp
Same should be applied to the largest immigrant community in Ireland - the unionists on both sides of the border.
 

Socratus O' Pericles

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Another day another race thread....yippee!

This subject matter couldn't have been fitted into any of the others?
 

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They will have to learn to cradle mugs, while gazing sombrely at the fog-filled dykes where a body is lying undetected.

I must rewatch "The Killing" - the jumpers were wonderful.
 

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Same should be applied to the largest immigrant community in Ireland - the unionists on both sides of the border.
There's a whole other type of unionist in Ireland now, and they pose a far greater threat to Ireland than loyalist unionists ever did. The European unionist.
 

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There's a whole other type of unionist in Ireland now, and they pose a far greater threat to Ireland than loyalist unionists ever did. The European unionist.
Really? What benefits has English occupation (and support for it) brought to Ireland?
 

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Another day another race thread....yippee!

This subject matter couldn't have been fitted into any of the others?
It's more to do with how other countries are dealing with a challenge we will face soon .
 

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The New York Times is putting a particular spin on this story.
If they ran it with a different angle, like say "Denmark disadvantaged immigrant children to receive 25 hours per week free kindergarten childcare so they can mix freely with local kids" it might look a bit different to American readers.
 

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Sounds like the Danes are trying to tame a wolf. Be careful it doesn't eat the toddler.
 

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Same should be applied to the largest immigrant community in Ireland - the unionists on both sides of the border.
Ok, I get the PUL's up north, but the other side of the border? Are you talking about FG voters or South Dublin residents?

Just because I don't go to Croke park does not make me a unionist.
 

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What exactly are Danish values these days? Drunkenness? Watching porn? Capitalist greed? Contemporary Western civilization really doesn't have much values left to speak of. It is rather unjust also given the vast majority of Danes aren't Christians to force or attempt to force Muslims to celebrate Christmas and Easter.
 

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This is incredibly undemocratic and discriminatory, Denmark is going the way of Nazi Germany it seems. I hope the minorities and those that support true human rights revolt against the government, that’s just disgusting. How can such a progressive, tolerant nation and a xenophobic racist one exist so close side by side?
 

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This is incredibly undemocratic and discriminatory, Denmark is going the way of Nazi Germany it seems. I hope the minorities and those that support true human rights revolt against the government, that’s just disgusting. How can such a progressive, tolerant nation and a xenophobic racist one exist so close side by side?
Oh cripes, I thought RatioEtFides had retired you.
 

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Denmark, as with the other Nordics, is a highly co-operative society

It seems they are shocked by the insular nature of indigent immigrants

I am ambivalent about their current & proposed response

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/07/01/world/europe/denmark-immigrant-ghettos.html


If the proposals dropped the religious tinge, then I think they have some merit

Denmark is offering an opportunity to these immigrants/refugees , and some tough love to make them take it, seems fair

Cyp
Sweden and Finland used to do this back in the 60's, 70's and 80's. The system worked well then. Saudi and UK lobbying changed that. The next immigrants did not integrate and the problems started.
 

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Danish society is extremely rule obsessed and consequently they think they must solve every problem with new rules\laws. Slavish obedience to rules and logical thinking is admired and deeply rooted in their culture.

In Denmark you’ll often come across angry people just looking to find someone breaking a rule so they can have a go or report them. I know one guy who’s mother in law insisted on painting the front door of his summer house and within half an hour the police arrived to investigate a neighbor reporting him for exploitation.

Having spent a fair bit of time there I’ve noticed that a certain racist element are using this more and more in a passive aggressive way against immigrants who don’t have the same obsession with rules. It’s a kind of legitimate way to marginalise them while at the same time occupying the high moral ground.

While I think it’s a good thing to educate immigrants about the culture of the host country, I don’t see why this needs to start from age one? Also making laws that only apply to certain people seems dangerous and fundamentally flawed to me.
 
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