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Dental Council gone AWOL?

Hillmanhunter1

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Something very odd is going on at the Dental Council.

Their website has no information about the members, there is a statement as follows:
"The new Council took office on 13 November 2015. Details of membership to follow."

I asked the Registrar for details of the members of the Council and he demurred. I made an FoI request and the response was that the Council has decided that the identity of the members of the Dental Council is personal information as far as the FoI Act is concerned, and therefore they are not willing to disclose who they are.

This is extraordinary to me. The members of a public body have decided that the public has no right to know who they are! Open government - my ####!

It gets worse.

The Dental Council (like all similar public bodies) is required to publish an Annual Report. The last Annual Report that they published was for 2012. No report has been produced for 2013, 2014 and 2015. This is a breach of the requirements of the Dentists Act, 1985. What on earth is the Department of Health doing about this - did they even notice?

Then there's the notice that's posted on the home page of their website Dental Council of Ireland - About Us

"The Council has become aware of a number of false and malicious allegations that have been posted on a number of online fora, purporting to be from patients, concerning treatment allegedly provided by some members of the Dental Council. These allegations, and the contents of the postings, are totally untrue.

The European Dental organisations to which they refer do not exist, nor have any of the people referred to ever been treated by the dentists in question. None of the dentists referred to in the postings have been the subject of disciplinary action by the Dental Council.

The postings are part of an orchestrated campaign by a disgruntled individual (who has never been a patient of any of the dentists in question). We are seeking to have this material removed. Please feel free to contact the Council offices if you are a patient and are concerned about any information you may have accessed on-line
."

What is this all about?

As I say, something very odd is going on at the Dental Council!
 


Accidental sock

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According to Paul Williams, they went into hiding after the tooth fairy put a contract out on them.
 

raspberry tea

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Like the medical council ,they are very cliquey and protect their own at all costs...Just wait till the underqualified third worlders get in,they will be protecting them too!
 

Prester Jim

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The dental council are an inept bunch of insiders by the accounts I have heard. They don't seem to do much, bit of a wild west situation here by all accounts, any old dentist can do orthodontic work for a start and any old dentist does. not a good situation as it takes several extra years of training and study with extra specialisation training as you go to deal with the new tech etc but any old dentist can do what they want.
The situation with dental hygienists seems well dodge too, they can't work as independent professionals and must work as subordinates to dentists who have complete discretion on how much of the proportion they get paid for the hygienists work actually gets passed along to the hygienist.
Doesn't seem like much oversight really.
 

Hillmanhunter1

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I posted a similar post this morning on the Boards.ie page dealing with dental issues. The thread was closed by a moderator (a dentist) for trolling:
http://www.boards.ie/b/thread/2057603187

I have long since been of the view that the dental profession does not like bright lights (unless of course they are pointed at a patient!).
 

damus

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OP did you do an FOI appeal or go to the Info Commissioner....cos members of public bodies doesn't constitute personal info. The DoH was also pretty lapse in relation to NMBI....did the council receive an audit certificate from the C&AG....and did they submit the accounts to the Minister?
 

Hillmanhunter1

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I have appealed the decision in relation to the FoI request to the Information Commissioner and am awaiting the result of that appeal.

The Department of Health appears to have been asleep at the wheel on this one - I mean preparing and publishing an annual report is a fairly basic requirement. It leads me to wonder what else have they omitted to do?

The Dental Council does have financial statements (for 2014 at least) that have been audited by the Local Government Auditor. There's no reference to the C&AG in the financial statements.
 
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Dentists here seem to operate at two levels, teeth pullers who just like to yank yer teeth out or begrudgingly do a filling instead but if they think you have money they'll refer you to a 'specialist' who'll charge 1k minimum and no doubt pass a few quid back to the lad on the high street who sent you there.
 

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There is a Dental Complaints Resolution Service

Dental Complaints Resolution Service

It claims to be independent of the Dental Dental Association. This service is run by Michael Kilcoyne but the website says nothing about him; even whether he is a dentist himself.
 

Hillmanhunter1

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There is a Dental Complaints Resolution Service

Dental Complaints Resolution Service

It claims to be independent of the Dental Dental Association. This service is run by Michael Kilcoyne but the website says nothing about him; even whether he is a dentist himself.
I think this is more for complaints about specific dentists. The name Michael Kilcoyne rings a bell with me - he might be the same person who was involved in the Consumers Association of Ireland.
 

damus

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There is a Dental Complaints Resolution Service

Dental Complaints Resolution Service

It claims to be independent of the Dental Dental Association. This service is run by Michael Kilcoyne but the website says nothing about him; even whether he is a dentist himself.
Treatments provided under the GMS, PRSI or other insurance based schemes are excluded from that resolution scheme. Kilcoyne is a FG councillor.
 

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I think this is more for complaints about specific dentists. The name Michael Kilcoyne rings a bell with me - he might be the same person who was involved in the Consumers Association of Ireland.
That's him.
 

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Treatments provided under the GMS, PRSI or other insurance based schemes are excluded from that resolution scheme. Kilcoyne is a FG councillor.
he's an Independent Cllr (a poll topper) and formally a Labour Cllr. I think the confusion arises as last time out (2014) his considerable surplus elected FG candidates.
 

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I think this is more for complaints about specific dentists. The name Michael Kilcoyne rings a bell with me - he might be the same person who was involved in the Consumers Association of Ireland.
If you google the Consumers Association you get lots of interesting info about this organisation Mr Kilcoyne has apparently been involved with for years.

Consumers Association of Ireland lays off all its staff | Page 2 | Askaboutmoney.com - the consumer forum

Does not appear to have been 'open and transparent' which is something you would hope the independent dental mediator would be!
 

Hillmanhunter1

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I have no difficulty finding out who is on the Dental council of:
The UK - The Council
New Zealand - http://www.dcnz.org.nz/about-the-dental-council/who-we-are/council-members/
India - http://www.dciindia.org.in/CouncilMember.aspx
Singapore - Members of the Council | SDC
Australia - Australian Dental Council - aboutus
Hong Kong - The Dental Council of Hong Kong - Membership List Dental Council of Hong Kong

I got bored at this point!

Only in Ireland, it seems, is the membership of the Dental Council a secret!
 

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If they don't like the publicity that membership of the council seems to be attracting, why don't they step down and let someone else take the gig?

Secret councils seems more Secret Service and Opus Dei than a public body.
 

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If they don't like the publicity that membership of the council seems to be attracting, why don't they step down and let someone else take the gig?

Secret councils seems more Secret Service and Opus Dei than a public body.
I can neither confirm nor deny that I am a member of the dental council, were such an organisation to exist.

Always floss.
 


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