Department of Foreign Affairs and Irish Aid

madmullah

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As some of my previous posts indicate I am very skeptical of the entire aid industry and as an Irish citizen and taxpayer question the absurdity of Ireland borrowing money, ( 651m in 2017 ) , so as to provide aid to countries that are in better financial state and/ or whose people are poor due to gross mis management and corruption.
Do people think there needs to be national debate or a plebiscite as to the entire rationale behind th entire aid programme .
 


Catalpast

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As some of my previous posts indicate I am very skeptical of the entire aid industry and as an Irish citizen and taxpayer question the absurdity of Ireland borrowing money, ( 651m in 2017 ) , so as to provide aid to countries that are in better financial state and/ or whose people are poor due to gross mis management and corruption.
Do people think there needs to be national debate or a plebiscite as to the entire rationale behind th entire aid programme .
Its beyond a Farce when a Stetson capped fading 'rock' star can breeze into town

- and get the Government of the day to allocate even more Irish taxpayers money to be spent overseas

- on God knows what...

The whole 'Foreign Aid' programme needs to be drastically reduced and re formatted

While I am sure there are doubts in political circles about the wisdom of what goes on

- no politician who wants to get ahead

- would touch the subject with a barge pole

- for fear of getting a belt of the PCrozier ....
 

Hillmanhunter1

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As some of my previous posts indicate I am very skeptical of the entire aid industry and as an Irish citizen and taxpayer question the absurdity of Ireland borrowing money, ( 651m in 2017 ) , so as to provide aid to countries that are in better financial state and/ or whose people are poor due to gross mis management and corruption.
Do people think there needs to be national debate or a plebiscite as to the entire rationale behind th entire aid programme .
There is a strong argument to be made that the violence, chaos and poverty that afflicts large parts of Africa is as a direct consequence of the Scramble for Africa by European powers and the messes that were left behind during the subsequent Decolonisation of Africa (in terms of countries that reflected colonial territories rather than "proper" nations, and could therefore only ever be ruled by a strongman).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scramble_for_Africa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decolonisation_of_Africa

How to fix this, and what role the former colonial powers should play is however not an easy question. I'm pretty sure however that flying out plane-loads of supplies whenever there is a crisis is not a solution.

A direct consequence of the failure of Africa, and one that will not go away for the foreseeable future, is however the continuing waves of economic immigrants seeking to live in Europe. It is hard to blame individual Africans, if I was born in Lagos I'd want to move to Europe too.

Should Europe go back into Africa, this time with a 50-year development plan to help build civil society structures and education systems, and to negotiate the revision of borders, in order to help create sustainable and stable societies?

That seems to me to be the only viable solution - the obvious problem is that it looks like colonialism Mark II.
 

Johnny Zordan

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It's a scam, that money doesn't put a spoon of food in a single starving Africans mouth. It's used to fatten the elite
 

Catalpast

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There is a strong argument to be made that the violence, chaos and poverty that afflicts large parts of Africa is as a direct consequence of the Scramble for Africa by European powers and the messes that were left behind during the subsequent Decolonisation of Africa (in terms of countries that reflected colonial territories rather than "proper" nations, and could therefore only ever be ruled by a strongman).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scramble_for_Africa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decolonisation_of_Africa

How to fix this, and what role the former colonial powers should play is however not an easy question. I'm pretty sure however that flying out plane-loads of supplies whenever there is a crisis is not a solution.

A direct consequence of the failure of Africa, and one that will not go away for the foreseeable future, is however the continuing waves of economic immigrants seeking to live in Europe. It is hard to blame individual Africans, if I was born in Lagos I'd want to move to Europe too.

Should Europe go back into Africa, this time with a 50-year development plan to help build civil society structures and education systems, and to negotiate the revision of borders, in order to help create sustainable and stable societies?

That seems to me to be the only viable solution - the obvious problem is that it looks like colonialism Mark II.
I think its more complicated than that

- believe it or not Africa is a better place now than it was even 30 years ago

- but it has a long long way to go

Its biggest problem down the road is the Population Explosion and how to keep up with that

- while raising living standards and battling the Graft that goes on everywhere

As the Black taxi driver told me a few months ago

Nigeria is a Rich Country

- but its the Corruption that holds it down....
:|
 

Clanrickard

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As some of my previous posts indicate I am very skeptical of the entire aid industry and as an Irish citizen and taxpayer question the absurdity of Ireland borrowing money, ( 651m in 2017 ) , so as to provide aid to countries that are in better financial state and/ or whose people are poor due to gross mis management and corruption.
Do people think there needs to be national debate or a plebiscite as to the entire rationale behind th entire aid programme .
 

Catalpast

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Are we not allowed to discuss the Foreign Aid programme then

- is it to be a Taboo subject?
 

eoghanacht

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There was a time when an OP had to have more detail and links supporting the OP position.

Now transferring the contents of what's written on the back of a jax wall is sufficient.

Ireland's premier blah......
 

eoghanacht

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The zero modding policy is going well, isn't it? :-(
It's well past it's sell by date tbh. Over run with the dregs at this stage.
 

between the bridges

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Tbf the renovations to numerous orange halls up here tis money well spent....
 

Hillmanhunter1

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I think its more complicated than that

- believe it or not Africa is a better place now than it was even 30 years ago

- but it has a long long way to go

Its biggest problem down the road is the Population Explosion and how to keep up with that

- while raising living standards and battling the Graft that goes on everywhere

As the Black taxi driver told me a few months ago

Nigeria is a Rich Country

- but its the Corruption that holds it down
....
:|
Nigeria is a great example of an African country that should not be a country. There is no great level of homogeneity within Nigeria, instead the British welded the Southern Nigerian Protectorate (mostly Christian) with the Northern Nigerian Protectorate (mostly Muslim):
"The unification was done for economic reasons rather than political—Northern Nigeria Protectorate had a budget deficit; and the colonial administration sought to use the budget surpluses in Southern Nigeria to offset this deficit".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Nigeria_Protectorate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Nigeria_Protectorate

Biafra, home of the Igbo people, was included in the Southern Nigerian Mandate, which ultimately led to the disastrous and unresolved Nigerian Civil War:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Civil_War

In reality Nigeria is several countries.
 

luggage

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Are we not allowed to discuss the Foreign Aid programme then

- is it to be a Taboo subject?
This OP is not a debate or discussion though. It is a stream of consciousness.
 

luggage

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Nigeria is a great example of an African country that should not be a country. There is no great level of homogeneity within Nigeria, instead the British welded the Southern Nigerian Protectorate (mostly Christian) with the Northern Nigerian Protectorate (mostly Muslim):
"The unification was done for economic reasons rather than political—Northern Nigeria Protectorate had a budget deficit; and the colonial administration sought to use the budget surpluses in Southern Nigeria to offset this deficit".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Nigeria_Protectorate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Nigeria_Protectorate

Biafra, home of the Igbo people, was included in the Southern Nigerian Mandate, which ultimately led to the disastrous and unresolved Nigerian Civil War:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Civil_War

In reality Nigeria is several countries.
It is a hangover from colonialism. Countries were "made". This has lead to many of the problems that are occurring today. Interesting article below.

https://www.pambazuka.org/global-south/effects-colonialism-africas-past-and-present
 

fifilawe

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Perhaps a read of "The Shock Doctrine" by Naomi Klein would enlighten those people who think what a great job these Overseas Aid Missions are doing.I read it soon after it was published and it shone a light on pretty nasty , corrupt worldwide practices,
 

former wesleyan

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As the Black taxi driver told me a few months ago

Nigeria is a Rich Country

- but its the Corruption that holds it down....
:|
Would this black lad have been a Nigerian by any chance ?
 


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