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Richardson is in at the Tribunal tomorrow to face what could be some very interesting questioning. His role in providing seemingly false invoices to cover payments to Fianna Fail, and in the case of Padraic O'Connor, providing a false invoice covering a payment to FF which ended up with Ahern personally, seems a very questionable one indeed. He seems to have been the quasi-autonomous FF fundraiser, the exact legal position being unclear. So what does anyone know about Richardson and his links with FF and Ahern?...
 


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Was it shown to be true that Richardson offered £100K to Liam Lawlor to act as a consultant on the Phoenix Park Casino project as claimed by Lawlor seven years ago?

And what investigation has been done into Ahern's granting of tax designation to lands co-owned by Richardson and Frank Dunlop in 1994, Ahern claiming to be unaware of Richardson's role..?
 

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claimed by Lawlor seven years ago?
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Jesus wept - what an absolute waste of public money - Imelda Marcos spent less on Shoes
 

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A more interesting thread would be Michael Wall.

From what I've heard the chap has never had two pennies to rub together.

His involvement in any of this is highly strange.
 

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Interesting to see that RTE now put the reporting of Des Richardson at the Mahon tribunal under "Crime and Courts". I wonder do they think it falls more under the first rather than the second heading.

Nice to see DR admitting that he got USD$ 10,000 (yes dollars) from British developer in an envelope during lunch in a Manchester hotel in April/May '94before the two men attended a football match at Old Trafford. Typical of the Drumcondra set, Mr Richardson said he did not realise the money was in dollars until he got back to Dublin. Mr Richardson said Mr Turner, who the tribunal heard was planning a big development in Ireland which was presumably a casino near the Phoenix Park.

As previously discussed here and I think on the Village web-site, we now can see all the threads coming together. Dollars and Bertie's bagman.

If my memory is correct, Michael Wall knows the good Mr. Turner.

From the Mahon tribunal in September.
Mr O'Neill: You have said in your opening statement and you repeated it now, that there was never any question of lodgement of dollars at any stage and you didn't deal in dollars and you didn't lodge dollars and you had nothing, nobody gave you sums of that type, is that correct?

Mr Ahern: No, at no time did I receive from Michael Wall, or did I give Celia Larkin dollars. In all of the, in everyting that I have read since I see absolutely no reference to the fact that there is dollars.
No need to have any doubt now about the USD$ 45,000.
 
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Today Richardson was asked to explain the Euro Workforce invoice used to cover a £5K payment by Padraic O'Connor to the Drumcondra constituency expenses that instead found its way to Ahern personally. He denied it was a bogus invoice (which it clearly was) but couldn't explain it or the discrepancy between his explanation for how it ended up with Ahern and O'Connor's stated intention. The whole operation stinks.
 

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Also from last September
EvotingMachine0197 wrote:
Maybe there is no casino because , in spite of Sonas getting planning permission, FF lost the election, so a change in The gambling Act was no longer on the cards.

Maybe Michael Wall brought the $45K over on Dec 5th 94 in the suitcase. Larkin refused to say what currency it was. She never even looked in the bag when lodging it the next Monday morning.

Mr. Wall's buddy is Norman Turner, the same guy who tried to bribe Tom Morrissey around the same time, over the same project, with roughly the same amount of money, £30,000

Norman Turners buddy in Sonas was Mr. White, an old school friend of Aherns. What an incredible coincidence.

Across the big sea is Ogden Corporation, once voted Americas worst board of directors in Fortune magazine. They like to build Casinos, and dams in places like India and such like. Probably not short of a few dollars either.

Forget about OO'C and Quarryvale for a few minutes.
Amazing how it is all coming together.
 
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droghedasouth said:
Also from last September
EvotingMachine0197 wrote:
Maybe there is no casino because , in spite of Sonas getting planning permission, FF lost the election, so a change in The gambling Act was no longer on the cards.

Maybe Michael Wall brought the $45K over on Dec 5th 94 in the suitcase. Larkin refused to say what currency it was. She never even looked in the bag when lodging it the next Monday morning.

Mr. Wall's buddy is Norman Turner, the same guy who tried to bribe Tom Morrissey around the same time, over the same project, with roughly the same amount of money, £30,000

Norman Turners buddy in Sonas was Mr. White, an old school friend of Aherns. What an incredible coincidence.

Across the big sea is Ogden Corporation, once voted Americas worst board of directors in Fortune magazine. They like to build Casinos, and dams in places like India and such like. Probably not short of a few dollars either.

Forget about OO'C and Quarryvale for a few minutes.
Amazing how it is all coming together.
FF opposed the casino, according to Austin Curry, only after the level of local hostility became clear and it became a too-hot potato. Prior to that they were fully supportive, including Ahern, and when it got planning Cowen was at the celebrations. See the Lawlor link posted above..
 
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Richardson said today that he met Norman Turner in Manchester, Turner, AN ENGLISH BUSINESSMAN, told him how impressed he was with the Irish FF party and gave him Ten Thousand Dollars in CASH at a Man Utd. match, and even though Richardson was wondering how much was given he got through the match, the hotel, the trip to the airport and the plane trip home before opening the envelope and discovering that he had given $10K. And on the plane trip home he marvelled at the pigs that accompanied the plane at 20,000 ft. The judges can surely not listen to any more of this giant crock of sh*t, it's insulting..
 

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The judges can surely not listen to any more of this giant crock of sh*t, it's insulting..
Hopefully not.

However, the drones who vote FF and Green will swallow any amount of excrement.
 

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TA, thanks for the links, the second one about DR is very interesting in that the judges remarked today how the a/c of Willdover and his personal a/c was constantly under pressure with their overdrafts and the situation was the same at Workforce which he owned and sold to one of the employees to become Euro Workforce and then he became a "consultant" to them and seemed to abuse one of their invoices.
The strange thing is this company had only one client to do HSE inspections for and yes you can easily guess it was AIB.
O'Neill is all over him like a rash but this guy DR is some piece of work and definitely owes everything to Bertie and the FF'rs.
He is still a little cocky like when he says to O'Neill why don't you ask Norman Turner to confirm matters or why he gave money and what his instructions were knowing full well this will not happen but you could almost feel him smirking as he was told they cannot make contact with him.
 

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The judges can surely not listen to any more of this giant crock of sh*t, it's insulting..
I suppose this is why they're paid so much, imagine having to listen to this and worse for a living?
 

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Richardson said today that he met Norman Turner in Manchester, Turner, AN ENGLISH BUSINESSMAN, told him how impressed he was with the Irish FF party and gave him Ten Thousand Dollars in CASH at a Man Utd. match, and even though Richardson was wondering how much was given he got through the match, the hotel, the trip to the airport and the plane trip home before opening the envelope and discovering that he had given $10K. And on the plane trip home he marvelled at the pigs that accompanied the plane at 20,000 ft. The judges can surely not listen to any more of this giant crock of sh*t, it's insulting..
Your falling for O’Neill’s style of questioning. He makes a big play of something that means nothing, what difference does it make to Richardson or the tribunal or anybody when Richardson found out the amount of the donation?, at the lunch, at the match, at the airport, on the plane or the next day, it makes no difference to anyone. As it’s of no consequence at all why did O’Neill spend so much time on it today?, because he manages to create the impression that Richardson is shifty, just because he says he didn’t count the money until the next day, when he could have said any other time and it wouldn’t matter at all.
 

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tonys said:
toxic avenger said:
Richardson said today that he met Norman Turner in Manchester, Turner, AN ENGLISH BUSINESSMAN, told him how impressed he was with the Irish FF party and gave him Ten Thousand Dollars in CASH at a Man Utd. match, and even though Richardson was wondering how much was given he got through the match, the hotel, the trip to the airport and the plane trip home before opening the envelope and discovering that he had given $10K. And on the plane trip home he marvelled at the pigs that accompanied the plane at 20,000 ft. The judges can surely not listen to any more of this giant crock of sh*t, it's insulting..
Your falling for O’Neill’s style of questioning. He makes a big play of something that means nothing, what difference does it make to Richardson or the tribunal or anybody when Richardson found out the amount of the donation?, at the lunch, at the match, at the airport, on the plane or the next day, it makes no difference to anyone. As it’s of no consequence at all why did O’Neill spend so much time on it today?, because he manages to create the impression that Richardson is shifty, just because he says he didn’t count the money until the next day, when he could have said any other time and it wouldn’t matter at all.
I've though Richardson as "shifty" for years.. and Tony.. are you honestly telling me, that you believe he didn't have a peek at the brown envelope until he got back to Dublin ?
 
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tonys said:
toxic avenger said:
Richardson said today that he met Norman Turner in Manchester, Turner, AN ENGLISH BUSINESSMAN, told him how impressed he was with the Irish FF party and gave him Ten Thousand Dollars in CASH at a Man Utd. match, and even though Richardson was wondering how much was given he got through the match, the hotel, the trip to the airport and the plane trip home before opening the envelope and discovering that he had given $10K. And on the plane trip home he marvelled at the pigs that accompanied the plane at 20,000 ft. The judges can surely not listen to any more of this giant crock of sh*t, it's insulting..
Your falling for O’Neill’s style of questioning. He makes a big play of something that means nothing, what difference does it make to Richardson or the tribunal or anybody when Richardson found out the amount of the donation?, at the lunch, at the match, at the airport, on the plane or the next day, it makes no difference to anyone. As it’s of no consequence at all why did O’Neill spend so much time on it today?, because he manages to create the impression that Richardson is shifty, just because he says he didn’t count the money until the next day, when he could have said any other time and it wouldn’t matter at all.
I'm afraid it's not O'Neill's questions that make Richardson look shifty, it's the completely implausible scenarios Richardson is asking the Tribunal to believe. O'Neill is perfectly entitled and indeed is obliged to ask in detail about the circumstances surrounding that day's events, the proverbial devil in the detail etc. But when you look at the only contemporary evidence there is, the internal bank memos of Ulster Bank in Mallow, which state that Richardson told them then that the money was unconnected with Fianna Fail, then a simple, plausible and logical explanation presents itself, as opposed to the convoluted and contradictory story given by Richardson. Richardson needs no help from O'Neill in making Richardson look shifty.
 

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rockofcashel said:
tonys said:
toxic avenger said:
Richardson said today that he met Norman Turner in Manchester, Turner, AN ENGLISH BUSINESSMAN, told him how impressed he was with the Irish FF party and gave him Ten Thousand Dollars in CASH at a Man Utd. match, and even though Richardson was wondering how much was given he got through the match, the hotel, the trip to the airport and the plane trip home before opening the envelope and discovering that he had given $10K. And on the plane trip home he marvelled at the pigs that accompanied the plane at 20,000 ft. The judges can surely not listen to any more of this giant crock of sh*t, it's insulting..
Your falling for O’Neill’s style of questioning. He makes a big play of something that means nothing, what difference does it make to Richardson or the tribunal or anybody when Richardson found out the amount of the donation?, at the lunch, at the match, at the airport, on the plane or the next day, it makes no difference to anyone. As it’s of no consequence at all why did O’Neill spend so much time on it today?, because he manages to create the impression that Richardson is shifty, just because he says he didn’t count the money until the next day, when he could have said any other time and it wouldn’t matter at all.
I've though Richardson as "shifty" for years.. and Tony.. are you honestly telling me, that you believe he didn't have a peek at the brown envelope until he got back to Dublin ?
The point is that it doesn’t matter whether he did or not, yet O’Neill spends a lot of his time and our money trying to make a big deal of it and as you can see from some posts, he succeeds. I can only hope the judges are not fooled by this kind of Perry Mason nonsense.

As to what I think, well if I already knew what the amount was why would I bother, if I didn’t know and it might be any amount, would I to try to count it in a public place, I don’t think so. It’s not as if he’d given over something for the money and needed to make sure he had been paid the correct amount, it could wait.
 

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[quote="toxic avenger":4c1s85di]Richardson said today that he met Norman Turner in Manchester, Turner, AN ENGLISH BUSINESSMAN, told him how impressed he was with the Irish FF party and gave him Ten Thousand Dollars in CASH at a Man Utd. match, and even though Richardson was wondering how much was given he got through the match, the hotel, the trip to the airport and the plane trip home before opening the envelope and discovering that he had given $10K. And on the plane trip home he marvelled at the pigs that accompanied the plane at 20,000 ft. The judges can surely not listen to any more of this giant crock of sh*t, it's insulting..
Your falling for O’Neill’s style of questioning. He makes a big play of something that means nothing, what difference does it make to Richardson or the tribunal or anybody when Richardson found out the amount of the donation?, at the lunch, at the match, at the airport, on the plane or the next day, it makes no difference to anyone. As it’s of no consequence at all why did O’Neill spend so much time on it today?, because he manages to create the impression that Richardson is shifty, just because he says he didn’t count the money until the next day, when he could have said any other time and it wouldn’t matter at all.
I'm afraid it's not O'Neill's questions that make Richardson look shifty, it's the completely implausible scenarios Richardson is asking the Tribunal to believe. O'Neill is perfectly entitled and indeed is obliged to ask in detail about the circumstances surrounding that day's events, the proverbial devil in the detail etc. But when you look at the only contemporary evidence there is, the internal bank memos of Ulster Bank in Mallow, which state that Richardson told them then that the money was unconnected with Fianna Fail, then a simple, plausible and logical explanation presents itself, as opposed to the convoluted and contradictory story given by Richardson. Richardson needs no help from O'Neill in making Richardson look shifty.[/quote:4c1s85di]In fairness to O’Neill, this time he didn’t ask what they had for lunch.
 


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