Deteriorating situation in Charlottesville, VA

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A state of emergency has been declared in Charlottesville, Virginia as a result of widespread violence in the run-up to what has been dubbed a "white nationalist" rally of several thousand far-rightists. There have been several ugly clashes between protesters and counter-protesters.

The far-right rally was called as a result of the decision to remove a statue of the controversial civil war Confederacy general Robert E Lee.

In the latest incident, CNN is reporting that a car has ploughed into a crowd of people. Details of this aspect of the story are still emerging.

CNN: State of emergency declared amid violence at Charlottesville's 'Unite the Right' rally


CBSN: Vehicle plows into protesters in Charlottesville - live updates
 


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Trump has been the right's focus as it crawled out from under its rocks.

'Duterte condemns violence against drug users'.

Same standard.
This was always going to happen, Trump or no Trump. Lee is an American hero, particularly in the South. But that upset the vocal minority of snowflakes and their fellow revisionists. They should have been ignored but unfortunately we're not.
 

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This was always going to happen, Trump or no Trump. Lee is an American hero, particularly in the South. But that upset the vocal minority of snowflakes and their fellow revisionists. They should have been ignored but unfortunately we're not.
Lee = slavery legitamised.

F**k his fans.
 

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CNN has just shown footage of the vehicle ploughing into the crowd.

It seems to be a grey Dodge (saloon?) car striking another white car from behind at high speed and literally sending people flying into the air. It's quite distressing to see.
 
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Lee = slavery legitamised.

F**k his fans.
That is not a reason to go tearing down historical monuments and once we start where do we stop? What about Washington and Jefferson, both slave owners? Should the Washington monument be demolished and the city renamed? Do we eliminate every reminder of British presence from the streets of Dublin because it offends a minority, and in the process destroy an important part of our heritage? Not content with designing their own present 'reality' the snowflakes now want to reconstruct history. And that is simply not possible.
 

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While the Confederates seem to have forgotten that they lost the war ( and that was 150 years ago) the fact is that it takes two to have a fight.

Who else was in the fight ?

And also the decadence of the Ante-Bellum did not disappear. It still shows up in the oddest places, in a laziness, and a personal abdication of responsibility. Which are core values of the Democratic Party (which started the Civil War) even to this day.
 

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The attempts to remove Confederate statues seem to have provoked extreme reactions and divisions in US society. If Lee is to be removed then where does it stop? Renaming Washington DC because Washington owned slaves?

Antifa have awoken a sleeping giant with their months of political terrorism against conservatives and Trump supporters. They forget conservatives in the Red States are heavily armed.

Its also clear from the slogans shouted by the White Nationalists that concerns about immigration featured strongly in their concerns. So clearly, there needs to be a debate on multiculturalism, though naturally I condemn racism and violence.
 

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Lee = slavery legitamised.

F**k his fans.
Da Ed you Kay shun system has gone to de dogz.

Lee actually, spent a lot of time trying to decide. In the end he put aside his reservations, because he felt he had a duty to service his state. In those days people were less mobile than now.

The real slavers where the Democratic politicians in the various state houses in the CSA.
 

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Richard Spencer claims to influenced primarily by Carl Schmitt however if you take Christian Faith out of Schmitt's writings outside of some stupid stuff he wrote in the 1930s there isn't much left to them. The concept of the Antichrist is to the key to understanding Schmitt's work while as Spencer as an optimistic evolutionist view of life. This is the primary reason I have difficulties taking him seriously.
 

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The attempts to remove Confederate statues seem to have provoked extreme reactions and divisions in US society. If Lee is to be removed then where does it stop? Renaming Washington DC because Washington owned slaves?
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It started with moves in majority black southern cities to remove Confederate statues but seems to becoming hijacked by militants in white colleges to remove statues that they decide are offensive and this provokes a reaction among the more general white southerners.
 

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I am absolutely beaming. To quote Jello Biafra, "Nazi punks f**k off."
Do you get a kick out of badger baiting also?

Richard Spencer of course is neither a Hitlerite or a Punk. Labelling people you don't like "Nazis" in order to justify the sadistic pleasure you get out of violence against them is a very dangerous path to go down.
 

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Da Ed you Kay shun system has gone to de dogz.

Lee actually, spent a lot of time trying to decide. In the end he put aside his reservations, because he felt he had a duty to service his state. In those days people were less mobile than now.

The real slavers where the Democratic politicians in the various state houses in the CSA.
Lee became increasingly pro-slavery as the war progressed, and he became more and more a "patriotic" Confederate.

When his army invaded Pennsylvania in 1863, any black man who fell into its hands was sent southwards to be sold as a slave. One solider described the invasion as a "massive slave hunt". His army murdered black prisoners in 1864 when a division of black soldiers was surrendered at the Battle of the Crater.

To give him his due, after the war he promoted reconciliation to an extent. He took an oath of loyalty to the Union and did not get involved in politics.

Today, Lee's statue does not mean reconciliation - it typifies Confederate triumphalism and racism. How many monuments are there in Charlotte to the victims of slavery?
 

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The attempts to remove Confederate statues seem to have provoked extreme reactions and divisions in US society. If Lee is to be removed then where does it stop? Renaming Washington DC because Washington owned slaves?

Antifa have awoken a sleeping giant with their months of political terrorism against conservatives and Trump supporters. They forget conservatives in the Red States are heavily armed.

Its also clear from the slogans shouted by the White Nationalists that concerns about immigration featured strongly in their concerns. So clearly, there needs to be a debate on multiculturalism, though naturally I condemn racism and violence.
They lived a century apart. During Washington's presidency, the northern states were well on their way to abolishing slavery.
 

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Is everyone from the past simply going to be erased because of something they did that someone doesnt approve of, because its going to be a real long list of candidates, including the very 1st president of the USA.
 


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