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Dicussion of Shared Moral Values for Society

rockofcashel

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Hello people.. just wondering if people would like to lend a hand or contribute to an assignment I am helping someone with.

It's a social philosophy assignment regarding the value of shared moral values for society. He was also asked to include the socio political ideals of Thomas Paine and the concept of liberalism as outline by JS Mill and John Rawls..

What is the importance of these ideas or ideals for modern society ?

Is there even a "modern society" nowadays ?

What is the role of Communitarianism is any such discussion ?


This isn't a political discussion per se, but obviously their are many political elements to such a discussion regarding shared moral values.. anyone like to contribute ?
 


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What does 'moral' mean?
 

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Morality (from the Latin moralitas "manner, character, proper behavior") is the differentiation of intentions, decisions, and actions between those that are "good" (or right) and those that are "bad" (or wrong). The philosophy of morality is ethics. A moral code is a system of morality (according to a particular philosophy, religion, culture, etc.) and a moral is any one practice or teaching within a moral code. Morality may also be specifically synonymous with "goodness" or "rightness." Immorality is the active opposition to morality (i.e. opposition to that which is good or right), while amorality is variously defined as an unawareness of, indifference toward, or disbelief in any set of moral standards or principles.[1][2][3][4] An example of a moral code is the Golden Rule which states that, "One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself."[5]
 

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“ The first man who, having fenced in a piece of land, said "This is mine," and found people naïve enough to believe him, that man was the true founder of civil society. From how many crimes, wars, and murders, from how many horrors and misfortunes might not any one have saved mankind, by pulling up the stakes, or filling up the ditch, and crying to his fellows: Beware of listening to this impostor; you are undone if you once forget that the fruits of the earth belong to us all, and the earth itself to nobody. ”

— Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Discourse on Inequality, 1754
 

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Morality (from the Latin moralitas "manner, character, proper behavior") is the differentiation of intentions, decisions, and actions between those that are "good" (or right) and those that are "bad" (or wrong). The philosophy of morality is ethics. A moral code is a system of morality (according to a particular philosophy, religion, culture, etc.) and a moral is any one practice or teaching within a moral code. Morality may also be specifically synonymous with "goodness" or "rightness." Immorality is the active opposition to morality (i.e. opposition to that which is good or right), while amorality is variously defined as an unawareness of, indifference toward, or disbelief in any set of moral standards or principles.[1][2][3][4] An example of a moral code is the Golden Rule which states that, "One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself."[5]
Is a set of 'shared moral values' something that is limited to values that all people share at some fundamental level or a majority shared system.
 

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“ The first man who, having fenced in a piece of land, said "This is mine," and found people naïve enough to believe him, that man was the true founder of civil society. From how many crimes, wars, and murders, from how many horrors and misfortunes might not any one have saved mankind, by pulling up the stakes, or filling up the ditch, and crying to his fellows: Beware of listening to this impostor; you are undone if you once forget that the fruits of the earth belong to us all, and the earth itself to nobody. ”

— Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Discourse on Inequality, 1754
yeah but did it have planning permission.
 

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Is a set of 'shared moral values' something that is limited to values that all people share at some fundamental level or a majority shared system.
I think that is the point under discussion.

Do we have a shared system of moral values ?

If we do, where did it come from and is it relevant in modern society ?

Is it fundamental, and how does it sit with different cultures ?

Is "might" right ?
 

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“ The first man who, having fenced in a piece of land, said "This is mine," and found people naïve enough to believe him, that man was the true founder of civil society. From how many crimes, wars, and murders, from how many horrors and misfortunes might not any one have saved mankind, by pulling up the stakes, or filling up the ditch, and crying to his fellows: Beware of listening to this impostor; you are undone if you once forget that the fruits of the earth belong to us all, and the earth itself to nobody. ”

— Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Discourse on Inequality, 1754
Why are you quoting The Arsehole of all Arseholes?
 

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I think that is the point under discussion.

Do we have a shared system of moral values ?

If we do, where did it come from and is it relevant in modern society ?

Is it fundamental, and how does it sit with different cultures ?

Is "might" right ?
Too many people think that "might is right" relates to military and wars when in fact the most consistent instance of "might being right" is the power of the state. The laws of the state are enforced by threat of violence (incarceration, arrest, fines, barring orders from driving, in some countries execution). Without might the law would not function so therefore if you are looking for a set of shared moral values it would have to be values that function where there is no law to enforce them, otherwise they are the values of the government enforced through violence.

Even in a democracy where governments are often elected by less than 50% of the popular vote it cannot be said that their laws are always representative of the majority of the people.
 

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Is a set of 'shared moral values' something that is limited to values that all people share at some fundamental level or a majority shared system.
The only thing that everybody shares is their humanity. We have only that in common.

After that issues like religion, colour, history, geographical location, genetic memory and individual circumstances come into play. We're all products of our environment and we're all in a continual state of evolution.

The philosophy of 'doing unto others as you would have them do unto you' would be a wonderful basis on which all societies could flourish. It's the fundamental ethos of Christianity, but as we've seen, putting it into practise seems to be the part where most people are stumped.
 

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Just to kick off:

Shared moral values are undermined by the increasing inequalities in income throughout the world. With the recent global economic melt-down and the resultant loss of democracy from Irish budgets determined in Berlin there is a growing mistrust of “the foreigner” and a retreat to “local thoughts” which is the opposite to Paine’s hope for a more universal thinking.
Paine’s statement that “"by the exercise of reason that man can discover God. Take away that reason, and he would be incapable of understanding anything” would not have much traction today so on that basis his relevance to shared moral values must be equally questionable.
 

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Roc, you'll never get straight answers on morality because many believe that their primary source of morality is their religion. Others like myself, believe that morality preceded religion by tens or hundreds of thousands of years and was essentially an evolved phenological behaviour.

There is also disagreement on whether morality is relativistic or not.
 

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The only thing that everybody shares is their humanity. We have only that in common.

After that issues like religion, colour, history, geographical location, genetic memory and individual circumstances come into play. We're all products of our environment and we're all in a continual state of evolution.

The philosophy of 'doing unto others as you would have them do unto you' would be a wonderful basis on which all societies could flourish. It's the fundamental ethos of Christianity, but as we've seen, putting it into practise seems to be the part where most people are stumped.
What if you're suicidal?
 

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Morality (from the Latin moralitas "manner, character, proper behavior") is the differentiation of intentions, decisions, and actions between those that are "good" (or right) and those that are "bad" (or wrong). The philosophy of morality is ethics. A moral code is a system of morality (according to a particular philosophy, religion, culture, etc.) and a moral is any one practice or teaching within a moral code. Morality may also be specifically synonymous with "goodness" or "rightness." Immorality is the active opposition to morality (i.e. opposition to that which is good or right), while amorality is variously defined as an unawareness of, indifference toward, or disbelief in any set of moral standards or principles.[1][2][3][4] An example of a moral code is the Golden Rule which states that, "One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself."[5]
Interesting. A philosophy lecturer in Maynooth proposed that morality could be seen as referring to that which acknowledges an absolute standard, and ethics being a more relative term. One philosophers opinion of course.
 

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“ The first man who, having fenced in a piece of land, said "This is mine," and found people naïve enough to believe him, that man was the true founder of civil society. From how many crimes, wars, and murders, from how many horrors and misfortunes might not any one have saved mankind, by pulling up the stakes, or filling up the ditch, and crying to his fellows: Beware of listening to this impostor; you are undone if you once forget that the fruits of the earth belong to us all, and the earth itself to nobody. ”

— Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Discourse on Inequality, 1754
Why are you quoting The Arsehole of all Arseholes?
Really, Field Marshall, you must learn how to form an opinion - all this fence-sitting can't be good for you....

:)
 

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An example of a moral code is the Golden Rule which states that, "One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself."[5]
I presume from a morally objective stance this includes before-birth rights, since one cannot be in a position to treat others as oneself would like to be treated, if ones life is ended before the chance to so do is arrived at?
 

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The only thing that everybody shares is their humanity. We have only that in common.

After that issues like religion, colour, history, geographical location, genetic memory and individual circumstances come into play. We're all products of our environment and we're all in a continual state of evolution.

The philosophy of 'doing unto others as you would have them do unto you' would be a wonderful basis on which all societies could flourish.
It's the fundamental ethos of Christianity,
but as we've seen, putting it into practise seems to be the part where most people are stumped.
It predates Christianity and can be found in every major religion.
 


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