Did HRC campaign collude with Ukraine?

Dame_Enda

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Allegations have surfaced that the Dems - while accusing the Trump campaign of collusion with Russia - may themselves have colluded with Ukraine. The allegations were mentioned on Fox, the Washington Post and politico.com.

......It centers on a woman named Alexandra Chalupa, who worked as a consultant for the Democratic Party throughout the 2016 cycle through her firm, Chalupa & Associates. Her role with the party was outreach to ethnic communities, but, a Ukrainian American herself, Chalupa had been researching Paul Manafort’s work in that country even before he was tapped to serve as Donald Trump’s campaign chairman in March of last year. Chalupa, Politico said, “occasionally shared her findings with officials from the DNC and [Hillary] Clinton’s campaign” — though the timing on this sharing isn’t clear.

When Manafort began his work with Trump, Vogel and Stern write, Chalupa “found herself in high demand.” The day after he was selected, Chalupa briefed the party’s communications staff on Manafort’s background.

More to the point, Chalupa allegedly also worked with the Ukrainian Embassy in researching Manafort and any links between Russia and Trump. In an interview with Politico, she describes the embassy staff as being “helpful” in trying to answer her questions. A former political officer at the embassy told Politico that an aide to the Ukrainian ambassador to the United States had ordered him to help Chalupa in that regard. He described a meeting in which that aide, Oksana Shulyar, asked him to update Chalupa on an investigation into Manafort being conducted by an American media organization.

Vogel and Stern also report that Chalupa introduced reporter Michael Isikoff, who was working on articles about Manafort, to “the Ukrainians.” Chalupa’s work with the party ended in July.....
 


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I expect CNN to be all over this, not.
 

Man or Mouse

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Straw man.
 

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Allegations have surfaced that the Dems - while accusing the Trump campaign of collusion with Russia - may themselves have colluded with Ukraine. The allegations were mentioned on Fox, the Washington Post and politico.com.
Do we take this as acceptance of potential treason by the Trumpettes?
 

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Why don't we all just pretend we live inside the Beltway?
 

SideysGhost

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hahaha the Trumpbots are really starting to panic now
Full-on meltdown mode LOL, this is great craic. They have so much emotionally invested in their Orange Toddler God-Emperor they have no choice but to double- and triple-down all the way down this crazy rabbithole. Tis fine entertainment :lol:
 

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This would be huge news but for the fact the election ended 7 months ago.
 

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Allegations have surfaced that the Dems - while accusing the Trump campaign of collusion with Russia - may themselves have colluded with Ukraine. The allegations were mentioned on Fox, the Washington Post and politico.com.
This is a total non story and a clumsy attempt at whataboutery after the latest damning revelations.

It reminds me of the time Russia, in response to the massive state doping programme being revealed responded by releasing athletes medical records that showed nothing we didn't already know.
 

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This is a total non story and a clumsy attempt at whataboutery after the latest damning revelations.

It reminds me of the time Russia, in response to the massive state doping programme being revealed responded by releasing athletes medical records that showed nothing we didn't already know.
Politico ran a very detailed story on it in January its legitimate story.
 

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Politico ran a very detailed story on it in January its legitimate story.
It's meaningless & it will not be allowed to deflect from the latest revelations.

Trumps camp are running around like the crew of the Titanic, desperately trying to limit the damage from the catastrophic Russian iceberg that's scraping a gaping, leaky hole in the orange ones presidency.
 

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LOL. And LOL again.
The smell of desperation is strong here!

The Washington Post article linked to (whose title, "Exploring Sean Hannity’s defense of Donald Trump Jr.: Clinton and Ukraine did it, too," the Dame just "happened" not to give :rolleyes: ) says this :
Hannity revisited one of the points from his introduction later in the show — a point that Trump Jr. himself had made on Twitter on Tuesday morning. What about a Politico report from January, Hannity asked, suggesting that Ukraine was colluding with the Clinton campaign to help her candidacy?

After loosely describing that Politico report, Hannity suggested that the media was ignoring it at their peril.
I pose this question to everybody in the media that’s forced to tune in tonight,” he asked. “Which is worse?”

The Russia-Trump Jr. issue is worse. Allow us to explain.
It goes on to examine the similarities, and crucially, the divergences between the two stories with a legal expert who concludes :
If the Ukrainian government did the same with Clinton as the evidence suggests Russia did with Trump,” he said, “it’s just as serious. But we are not there.”

To any objective observer, that’s clearly the case. Neither Trump Jr. nor Hannity meets that description.
None of which is terribly clear from the OP.
Which is just what Hannity (and the Trump admin) is hoping to do - convince their own followers.
Any port in a storm I suppose.
 

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LOL. And LOL again.
The smell of desperation is strong here!

The Washington Post article linked to (whose title, "Exploring Sean Hannity’s defense of Donald Trump Jr.: Clinton and Ukraine did it, too," the Dame just "happened" not to give :rolleyes: ) says this :


It goes on to examine the similarities, and crucially, the divergences between the two stories with a legal expert who concludes :


None of which is terribly clear from the OP.
Which is just what Hannity (and the Trump admin) is hoping to do - convince their own followers.
Any port in a storm I suppose.
Anything they say will convince the followers, all of whom are seeped in the blue lies. Look at the responses of the supportive piesters for a start
 

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Do we take this as acceptance of potential treason by the Trumpettes?
There is evidence that she colluded with one of the most corrupt governments in the world. Ireland. Francis Fitzgerald attended the Democratic Convention in 2016
 

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It's meaningless & it will not be allowed to deflect from the latest revelations.

Trumps camp are running around like the crew of the Titanic, desperately trying to limit the damage from the catastrophic Russian iceberg that's scraping a gaping, leaky hole in the orange ones presidency.
I think the Trump camp are playing a much longer smarter game. Its a type of vaccination. They pull on as much flack as possible knowing having spoken with their lawyers first. The whole hub bub begins, driving the media mad. But it dissipates into a ball of smoke. That leaves Trump's vote consolidated in the run up to the Mid term elections.

His opponents essentially have a cartridge with no gunpowder inside. It looks like the real thing but when it is needed most needed, it's worse then useless because its relied on. Remember Tuco's revolver in the shoot out in the Good, the Bad and the ugly
 


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