Direct rule and nationalism

McSlaggart

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Their is something of a Greek tragedy in unionism inability to compromise. Unionists appear to think that Direct rule will be a great thing in the current political dispensation. This will only deepen the frustrations and disillusionment of nationalists/moderate people towards "Northern Ireland".

Does any unionist have a valid reason why Unionism cannot compromise on issue such as Irish language and Irish culture?

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Mrs Long said an Irish Language Act and equal marriage had become hugely symbolic issues.

"The demand for an Irish Language Act is representative of the demand of wider nationalism that Irishness in Northern Ireland is respected and given its place in the institutions. The demand for equal marriage reflects the desire of people who are different to be treated with respect and fairness," she said.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/with-talks-just-days-away-dup-mp-pessimistic-deal-can-be-done-36509306.html

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"But you look at the DUP conferences, how could you have any confidence whenever it is this constant sort of contempt and disdain, and you think to yourself, ’what a pity, you know, things could have been a lot different here’?"

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/joe-brolly-catholics-have-lost-faith-in-northern-irelands-shared-society-823217.html
 


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They are brain dead Jesus freaks . So what do you expect
They should be reminded that this Jesus guy had twelve boyfriends and maybe someday this message may register in their simple minds.
 

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Their is something of a Greek tragedy in unionism inability to compromise. Unionists appear to think that Direct rule will be a great thing in the current political dispensation. This will only deepen the frustrations and disillusionment of nationalists/moderate people towards "Northern Ireland".

Does any unionist have a valid reason why Unionism cannot compromise on issue such as Irish language and Irish culture?

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Mrs Long said an Irish Language Act and equal marriage had become hugely symbolic issues.

"The demand for an Irish Language Act is representative of the demand of wider nationalism that Irishness in Northern Ireland is respected and given its place in the institutions. The demand for equal marriage reflects the desire of people who are different to be treated with respect and fairness," she said.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/with-talks-just-days-away-dup-mp-pessimistic-deal-can-be-done-36509306.html

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"But you look at the DUP conferences, how could you have any confidence whenever it is this constant sort of contempt and disdain, and you think to yourself, ’what a pity, you know, things could have been a lot different here’?"

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/joe-brolly-catholics-have-lost-faith-in-northern-irelands-shared-society-823217.html
They won't comprlmise because that woukd involve change and generosity of spirit.
They fear change and generosity of spirit was drowned in a bowl of curried yoghurt.
 

McSlaggart

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They won't comprlmise because that woukd involve change and generosity of spirit.
They fear change and generosity of spirit was drowned in a bowl of curried yoghurt.

It would be wrong to claim that unionists do not engage with nationalism or nationalist culture at a local/personal level.

The issue appears around the wider unionist cultural traditions which are increasingly becoming less and less supported.
 

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Their is something of a Greek tragedy in unionism inability to compromise. Unionists appear to think that Direct rule will be a great thing in the current political dispensation. This will only deepen the frustrations and disillusionment of nationalists/moderate people towards "Northern Ireland".

Does any unionist have a valid reason why Unionism cannot compromise on issue such as Irish language and Irish culture?

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Mrs Long said an Irish Language Act and equal marriage had become hugely symbolic issues.

"The demand for an Irish Language Act is representative of the demand of wider nationalism that Irishness in Northern Ireland is respected and given its place in the institutions. The demand for equal marriage reflects the desire of people who are different to be treated with respect and fairness," she said.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/with-talks-just-days-away-dup-mp-pessimistic-deal-can-be-done-36509306.html

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"But you look at the DUP conferences, how could you have any confidence whenever it is this constant sort of contempt and disdain, and you think to yourself, ’what a pity, you know, things could have been a lot different here’?"

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/joe-brolly-catholics-have-lost-faith-in-northern-irelands-shared-society-823217.html
The Irish Gaelic language is supported by the Northern Ireland Assembly already and costs a significant amount of taxpayers’ money that already goes beyond its usage in NI society. That is quite a privileged position for that language. The equality legislation in Northern Ireland is also robust. What compromise are you expecting, more legislation to elevate a language even further beyond its importance?
 

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The Irish Gaelic language is supported by the Northern Ireland Assembly already and costs a significant amount of taxpayers’ money that already goes beyond its usage in NI society. That is quite a privileged position for that language. The equality legislation in Northern Ireland is also robust. What compromise are you expecting, more legislation to elevate a language even further beyond its importance?
Their was an agreement made on the Irish language and it simply needs to be implemented. Is that so difficult for Unionists to understand?
 

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The Irish Gaelic language is supported by the Northern Ireland Assembly already and costs a significant amount of taxpayers’ money that already goes beyond its usage in NI society. That is quite a privileged position for that language. The equality legislation in Northern Ireland is also robust. What compromise are you expecting, more legislation to elevate a language even further beyond its importance?


Oh Dear:roll:


 

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Their was an agreement made on the Irish language and it simply needs to be implemented. Is that so difficult for Unionists to understand?
What deal, at St Andrews? That, as you know, wasn't agreed with all participants and was a shady behind the scenes deal between Blair and Adams. SF and Blair tried to hoodwink the DUP and it ended up that it didn't work. SF should have been negotiating honestly and then this wouldn't have come back to bite them. They knew this though and only in 2015 did they bring forward a lame proposal for legislation that they hadn't even prepared properly and couldn't get cross-community support never mind a majority support in the NI Assembly with Alliance against it too.
 

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What deal, at St Andrews? That, as you know, wasn't agreed with all participants and was a shady behind the scenes deal between Blair and Adams. SF and Blair tried to hoodwink the DUP and it ended up that it didn't work. SF should have been negotiating honestly and then this wouldn't have come back to bite them. They knew this though and only in 2015 did they bring forward a lame proposal for legislation that they hadn't even prepared properly and couldn't get cross-community support never mind a majority support in the NI Assembly with Alliance against it too.


Surprised at you Raz accusing the PM of your Majesty's Government participating in "shady deals":lol::lol::lol:
 

hollandia

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Direct rule? Bring it on. See how everyone gets on with the Dublin input this time.
 

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Direct rule? Bring it on. See how everyone gets on with the Dublin input this time.
Do ye read anything into the fact that the dept with the most contact with NI tis the Dept of Foreign Affairs...
 

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Yep, direct rule will do the job ... with border polls thrown until NI is no more ..

The bigoted supremacist crackpots have brought this on themselves ....

It could have been so different, but no, no decency was or is being displayed by unionism .. and it looks like it never will be ... so direct rule & demographics it is !!
 

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Yep. Which is precisely what I'm looking for. Coveney telling ye lot what to do. Ye'll love it :)
''Ffs whatever yez do don't have thon poll coz we don't want yez''...
 

between the bridges

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Yep, direct rule will do the job ... with border polls thrown until NI is no more ..

The bigoted supremacist crackpots have brought this on themselves ....

It could have been so different, but no, no decency was or is being displayed by unionism .. and it looks like it never will be ... so direct rule & demographics it is !!
Translation: Themuns whaaaaaaaaaaaaa whaaaaaaaaaaaaa themuns whaaaaaaaa...
 

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What deal,
Under the terms of 2006's St Andrews Agreement the British government committed to introduce an Irish language act but despite numerous consultations, it has yet to see the light of day.

What would an Irish language act actually mean? - The Irish News

The is one of Unionism great funny strategies to make sure Northern Ireland stays in the UK. Fight an Irish language act on the beaches, in the air, on the street.


The Scots and Welsh are embarrassed by the actions of Orange Northern Ireland Unionism. Their is no upside to this stance for Unionism.
 

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Under the terms of 2006's St Andrews Agreement the British government committed to introduce an Irish language act but despite numerous consultations, it has yet to see the light of day.

What would an Irish language act actually mean? - The Irish News

The is one of Unionism great funny strategies to make sure Northern Ireland stays in the UK. Fight an Irish language act on the beaches, in the air, on the street.


The Scots and Welsh are embarrassed by the actions of Orange Northern Ireland Unionism. Their is no upside to this stance for Unionism.


Don't tell me the crackpots are still yearning for air strikes on Newry/Dundalk/Crossmaglen?:lol::lol::lol:
 


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