Disciplined vigilantes to assist Gardai in tackling antisocial behaviour?

merle haggard

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cant speak for the rest of the country, but down in Cork what used to happen is that scumbags would be given a warning by either the Provos or the Officials. This is going back a bit (1970s/1980s) , and I always thought that there was a certain degree of toleration of this from the local gardai, because that prevented scumbags from Dublin trying to introduce the heroin trade into Cork , which was raging in Dublin at the time. I do remember a number of assasinations/kneecappings that went on, with very little follow up from the gardai - because the person targetted was genuinely a major league scumbag.

Correct me if i'm wrong here, but thats my recollection. Obviously with the Good Friday agreement, that "vigilante" style pressure valve has gone away for good.
you need to get over that GFA bollix , seriously . Everybody else has .



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Cork vigilantes vow to kill drug dealers

By Sean O’Riordan
Wednesday, September 16, 2009
VIGILANTES have threatened to kill anyone who continues to deal drugs on the southside of Cork city .

A number of men wearing dark clothing visited pubs last weekend and distributed leaflets warning of lethal consequences for drug dealers.

Up to half-a-dozen men, linked to the dissident republican group, the 32 County Sovereignty Movement, distributed the leaflets in pubs in Passage West and Rochestown and the city suburbs of Ballyphehane and Togher last Friday.





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A statement has been given to Cork's Evening Echo newspaper by a group claiming to be the 32 County Sovereignty Movement, which states that the Real IRA killed Mr Staunton and threatened further action against drug dealers.

The move follows the execution of Gerard ‘Topper’ Staunton at Westlawn estate on the Sarsfield Road at 7.50pm last Wednesday.

The statement given to the Evening Echo reads: “In our last statement, we warned drug dealers to cease their activities, but despite several individuals stopping following lengthy interrogation by ourselves, there were those who chose to continue.

“We warned them that our actions would speak louder than a thousand words and last week was testament to that.”


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Jezza

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Are the 32 CSM still denying that they are the Sinn Fein of the RIRA?
 

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VIGILANTES have threatened to kill anyone who continues to deal drugs on the southside of Cork city .
Oh right, I stand corrected, we do have summary executions and death squads.
Makes you proud to be Irish, doesn't it.
 

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I asked him to explain and he slammed the door in my face.
Sorry you had to find out the ahrd way that there are scumbags around.

In my own area, some locals wanted to plant trees in a public green area. One of these characters objected. "If you put trees there, my young fella will break them, and then he'll get blamed for it!"

The objections were ignored by the way.
 

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It's easy enough to slam your door in the face of someone who clearly thinks your family are scum. It's a lot harder to do it if you are on friendly terms with the person before they come to your door to complain about your kids. If you're not going to include everybody in a community then don't expect everybody to tow the community line.
 

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I live in a small town. A friend of mine ( man with a learning disability living alone ) is currently being terrorised by a gang of young hoodlums ( aged 10 to 12 approx ). They stand around outside his house most evenings, throwing things at his windows and door, shouting at him and abusing him. He is unable to stand up for himself and is now too afraid to leave his house. He is now effectively a prisoner in his own home ( where he has lived for over 50 years ).
The matter has been reported to the Guards a number of times but they have taken no action. One of the neighbours who intervened ( threatened the kids he'd sort them out ) was himself reported to the Guards by the parents of the ringleader and is now being threatened with prosecution.
Too often the Gardai see their role as protecting the rights of the criminal and not the victim.
 

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Imprisonment

The scum needs to be discouraged from breeding more scum. Even in our area a young lad around 11 threw a rock at one of my neighbours windows last month. I caught him red handed in the act and proceeded down to the parents house. I told the dad of the kid what i'd witnessed expecting him to take action againest his son. I was shocked by his reaction tbh. He told me that it was "rats" like myself that gave the area a bad name. :confused: I asked him to explain and he slammed the door in my face. I told my neighbour when he got home and he reported to the Gardai the incident with myself as witness.

The problem is the parents of these kids don't actually give two hoots about other people and their kids as long as they have enough cash for the bookies and a few cans. The sooner the better the government of this country starts giving out food vouchers instead of cash to people of this ilk the better. Imo vigilantes won't make a difference it's bigger prisions and harder time for the scum that's needed.
On the latter point,the cost of Irish imprisonment is as high as boarding at elite universities like Harvard,so it is not a cost effective solution unless the prison guards' overtime rackets are terminated.
 

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Ott

Vigilant citizens, snitch lines, cameras, state censorship through libel laws, monitoring of communications, kangaroo courts, an elite nepotist domination of politics, a ruling party that refuses to let go of power and an unaccountable judicial system, is there anything we're missing? Death squads and summary executions maybe?
 

merle haggard

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Oh right, I stand corrected, we do have summary executions and death squads.
Makes you proud to be Irish, doesn't it.
we have corrupt detectives too and a dept of transport that issues international hauliers licenses to convicted drug importers . And a passport department that gives same international hauliers a clean passport in gaelic , all in the north louth backyard of the same justice minister who tells us we need to abandon our citizens rights in order to facilitate his anti gang laws - that strip all irish citizens of their rights - because apparently the guards hands are supposed to be tied by the existing laws .
That situation were the state takes your rights away in order to supposedly protect you from a threat they are directly facilitating in the first place has a lot more in common with fascism than republicans taking a few of these dungheaps out .

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/ireland/article6122828.ece
 

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Up the road from me in Dublin is where Garda in the late nineties baton charged women and children demonstrating outside the house of a heroin business man. The Gardai I believe generally protect lumpen scum because the state sees them as a vital weapon in keeping the working class in its place. If being outside can be risky you tend to stay in doors and so to yourself or your small group of family and friends.
 

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30,000 prisoners?

Ireland now has the huge number of six thousand prisoners in its prisons.
The US is the leader with 2 millions,equivalent to about 30,000 here.

If the primary school system doen't employ trained literacy specialists to prevent large numbers of functionally illiterate Irish (over 20% illiterate in the mid 1990s according to the International Literacy Survey),we will be building jails forever.
 

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The Gardai were reluctant about the reserve and seem to be delaying its rollout.
of course they are.. they know better then to call on a gang of yobs as back up

Ireland now has the huge number of six thousand prisoners in its prisons.
USA - Land of the unfree, Home of the Slave

More people are behind bars in the US then the former USSR and Commi China combined!
 

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One solution that is popular in the US is the Guardian Angels' vigilante system. These are not Provo-style knee cappers. Instead,they patrol the streets,are taught self defence and the legalities of citizens' arrests. I don't know how successful they are but they have received considerable publicity.
Works well in America.

In 1992 Guardian Angels founder Curtis Sliwa issued a public apology for staging several subway rescues in the 1980s in order to get publicity for the group. Since the statute of limitations on filing false police reports had expired, no charges were brought against him or the organization.

Sliwa also admitted that the New York City Chapter primarily patrolled the Restaurant Row section of midtown Manhattan, except for occasional well-publicized patrols in other areas and subway patrols to recruit new members.
 

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Not illegal

I am not condoning these vigilanty activity but when the State fails to protect its citizens they are leaving openings for illegal groups to gain support.
The Guardian Angels operate within the law,apparently.
 

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Surely the gardai have come around numerous times?

I live in a small town. A friend of mine ( man with a learning disability living alone ) is currently being terrorised by a gang of young hoodlums ( aged 10 to 12 approx ). They stand around outside his house most evenings, throwing things at his windows and door, shouting at him and abusing him. He is unable to stand up for himself and is now too afraid to leave his house. He is now effectively a prisoner in his own home ( where he has lived for over 50 years ).
The matter has been reported to the Guards a number of times but they have taken no action. One of the neighbours who intervened ( threatened the kids he'd sort them out ) was himself reported to the Guards by the parents of the ringleader and is now being threatened with prosecution.
Too often the Gardai see their role as protecting the rights of the criminal and not the victim.
Surely the gardai have come around numerous times? Hard to believe that the gardai would fail to enfoce the law to such an extreme extent.

Or is it that the gardai know the courts will do nothing to the feral children or their negligent parents and the children know that too?
 

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Haulier a snitch

we have corrupt detectives too and a dept of transport that issues international hauliers licenses to convicted drug importers . And a passport department that gives same international hauliers a clean passport in gaelic , all in the north louth backyard of the same justice minister who tells us we need to abandon our citizens rights in order to facilitate his anti gang laws - that strip all irish citizens of their rights - because apparently the guards hands are supposed to be tied by the existing laws .
That situation were the state takes your rights away in order to supposedly protect you from a threat they are directly facilitating in the first place has a lot more in common with fascism than republicans taking a few of these dungheaps out .

Kieran Boylan: the drug dealer licensed to trade - Times Online
That haulier in the story was a very useful snitch,but the gardai went too far,even if they got lots of convictions.

As for the anti gang law,how is that working in practice in protecting witnesses? Was it just playing to the gallery?
 

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Unlikely

Up the road from me in Dublin is where Garda in the late nineties baton charged women and children demonstrating outside the house of a heroin business man. The Gardai I believe generally protect lumpen scum because the state sees them as a vital weapon in keeping the working class in its place. If being outside can be risky you tend to stay in doors and so to yourself or your small group of family and friends.
Was the heroin dealer convicted? If not,he was entitled not to be harassed under the law and protecting him made the guards look bad.
 


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