Discussion / Debate point - Are we still inside the 08 crash Matrix

brughahaha

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Let me say it again;

You are missing the key point in all of this: - The UK needs a sweetheart deal from the EU. Without a sweetheart deal there can be no Brexit.

There are three parts to that:

1) You are missing the key point in all of this

2) The UK needs a sweetheart deal from the EU.

3) Without a sweetheart deal there can be no Brexit.
You seem to be unaware of the large chunks of the tory party (and electorate) of the UK who are explicitly not prepared for "any" deal ..... maybe you should google "No deal is better than a bad deal" ....... a quote from none other than ..drum roll... The United Kingdoms Prime Minister:roll:

And patiently for the umpteenth time , if that happens ..its the IRISH economy which will pay the highest price

You have also been told in NO uncertain terms ..by the UKs Prime Minister ( and repeated today in response to Junkers comments) that the UK will not be dismantled for a deal

Now I know as a Green , reality is difficult and ye have form in economic suicide as recently as 2008 .....

but obviously nothing has changed and you prefer your own delusions to stated positions and facts :roll:

So say bit as often as you like ..you are not answering the questions , you are instead denying reality and trying to pretend (like much of the Establishment) that the questions don't exist :roll:

But they do ...and Ireland has no answers to them....de ja vu
 


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I think we have just passed that point. It will certainly happen in 2018.

But we've a long way to go from negative nett new lending to the dizzy heights of 2007 (+/-€70 Billion neet new lending).
Exactly.

Nothing is surer that the cycle will continue exactly as it has always done, all through capitalism, without fail. Credit expansion, followed by credit contraction, and back and forth again.
 

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And there is talk of interest rates rising next year in Europe. The US has already increased rates twice in the recent past. The day of low interest rates are very much at an end. Wait till they got up to normal levels. Our repayments will skyrocket because of the massive pile upon which the interest rates are charged.

I used bang on about it and got the usual poo pooing from the shills. There was/is nothing to see apparently.
What are you worrying about?

We were at interest rates of 15%+ in 2011

We are at < .5% now.

Dont fret. We can default under a SF IRA FF Government if it gets too burdensome.

Life will go on.
 

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Let me say it again;

You are missing the key point in all of this: - The UK needs a sweetheart deal from the EU. Without a sweetheart deal there can be no Brexit.

There are three parts to that:

1) You are missing the key point in all of this

2) The UK needs a sweetheart deal from the EU.

3) Without a sweetheart deal there can be no Brexit.
Hitting your head against a wall there SPN :)
 

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You seem to be unaware of the large chunks of the tory party (and electorate) of the UK who are explicitly not prepared for "any" deal ..... maybe you should google "No deal is better than a bad deal" ....... a quote from none other than ..drum roll... The United Kingdoms Prime Minister:roll:

And patiently for the umpteenth time , if that happens ..its the IRISH economy which will pay the highest price

You have also been told in NO uncertain terms ..by the UKs Prime Minister ( and repeated today in response to Junkers comments) that the UK will not be dismantled for a deal

Now I know as a Green , reality is difficult and ye have form in economic suicide as recently as 2008 .....

but obviously nothing has changed and you prefer your own delusions to stated positions and facts :roll:

So say bit as often as you like ..you are not answering the questions , you are instead denying reality and trying to pretend (like much of the Establishment) that the questions don't exist :roll:

But they do ...and Ireland has no answers to them....de ja vu






.its the IRISH economy which will pay the highest price [/B]


No where in all the spin nonsense thrown at us is there a glimmer that official Ireland grasps that the real harm on Brexit will be to Ireland...

The continual spin of official Ireland in staunch support of our EU colleagues is yet another example of the contempt of official Ireland ...most concerning is that such spin stops informed debate on the "on the ground" consequences of Brexit....
 

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For all the experts few questions:

What is the estimated impact on CT returns of Brexit?

As the MNC Directive called the Vat Directive to fool the ordinary Joe Bloggs will no longer apply to UK MNC trading here ... they have a lessened reason to trade here.....what estimated impact has official Ireland calculated for this....

AS many many UK companies own the "rights" of brand supply for the UK and Ireland what provision has been put in place by official Ireland to ensure that there will be no significant knock on of Irish business defaults?

Then of course no one asks as the EU will impose tariffs what will the UK impose ? and what is the impact... of that.....

These questions are merely a few of the many questions official Ireland should be made answer ..

and Official Ireland should pay attention to its short comings first before spinning blame elsewhere..
 

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For all the experts few questions:

What is the estimated impact on CT returns of Brexit?

As the MNC Directive called the Vat Directive to fool the ordinary Joe Bloggs will no longer apply to UK MNC trading here ... they have a lessened reason to trade here.....what estimated impact has official Ireland calculated for this....

AS many many UK companies own the "rights" of brand supply for the UK and Ireland what provision has been put in place by official Ireland to ensure that there will be no significant knock on of Irish business defaults?

Then of course no one asks as the EU will impose tariffs what will the UK impose ? and what is the impact... of that.....

These questions are merely a few of the many questions official Ireland should be made answer ..

and Official Ireland should pay attention to its short comings first before spinning blame elsewhere..
Brexit UK remains in EU VAT regime till Dec 2020

The European Commission and UK Brexit negotiators have confirmed that the UK will remain in the EU VAT regime until the end of the 19-month Brexit transitions period. Brexit is currently scheduled for 29 March 2019, meaning the UK exits the EU VAT system on 31 December 2020.

Other areas of co-operation between the UK’s HMRC and EU tax authorities will be extended further, including:

- Cooperation on tax fraud under Council Regulation (EU) No. 904/2010 will continue until December 2024
- The collection and application of excise duties for goods moved prior to December 2020
- Mutual assistance until December 2025 on collection of taxes due prior to December 2020
- Access to historical UK VAT registration status on VIES until December 2024
 

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What are you worrying about?

We were at interest rates of 15%+ in 2011

We are at < .5% now.

Dont fret. We can default under a SF IRA FF Government if it gets too burdensome.

Life will go on.
See, this is exactly what people are talking about. FG shills like Comical Ally with a burning building behind him saying "Nothing to see here folks". Or the infamous shot of Noel Ahearn and the other gobshyte saying the IMF were not called in, dangerous talk.
 

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Anecdotal stuff, but among the junkmail in my letter box this morning is a flyer from
Provident Personal Credit Limited.
 

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Hitting your head against a wall there SPN :)
Evening Trigger ...

Increased your tenants rents on Daddy's properties yet this week ?
 

brughahaha

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See, this is exactly what people are talking about. FG shills like Comical Ally with a burning building behind him saying "Nothing to see here folks". Or the infamous shot of Noel Ahearn and the other gobshyte saying the IMF were not called in, dangerous talk.
Its Trigger ..hid beloved FG government is throwing millions of euro and him and his landlord cronies ...while they bemoan social welfare payments ...he's just a typical scummy Blueshirt hypocrite ...and dumb as f@ck to boot
 

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You seem to be unaware of the large chunks of the tory party (and electorate) of the UK who are explicitly not prepared for "any" deal

blah, blah, blah.
1) You are missing the key point in all of this

2) The UK needs a sweetheart deal from the EU.

3) Without a sweetheart deal there can be no Brexit.


How about we take this discussion over to the Brexit thread where it belongs.

I suggest this post might be a god starting point.

http://www.politics.ie/forum/brexit/256463-brexit-general-forum-1082.html#post12187126
 

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Evening Trigger ...

Increased your tenants rents on Daddy's properties yet this week ?
Hi Dave.

Which properties are those ?

I'm more than happy with 12% capital appreciation :) on my portfolio.

Are you still supporting REITs you muppet ?
 

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