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Disgraceful Charges Mean We Have No Real Society Here?


General Urko

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Apart from the attack on carers in the recent budget have a look at this Monday Newspaper Review - Irish Business News and International Stories - - December 17, 2012

A charge being levied on cancer patients who have contributed to this so called society, but who have fallen through the net re medical cards and cannot afford health insurance. Add to this absurd charges for calling out an ambulance or the fire brigade! Imagine treating people who have contributed to our society in such a way in their hour of need! It's Unforgiveable!
Yet, if you have never ever contributed i.e. paid tax on your labour, there is no charge! I exempt from that criticism people who are looking after children or sick relations, in genuine full time education, who are genuinely sick or disabled or who are in prison! If you were capable of working during the Celtic Tiger time and chose not to, when/where will you work and what do we owe you exactly?:mad:
 


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Apart from the attack on carers in the recent budget have a look at this Monday Newspaper Review - Irish Business News and International Stories - - December 17, 2012

A charge being levied on cancer patients who have contributed to this so called society, but who have fallen through the net re medical cards and cannot afford health insurance. Add to this absurd charges for calling out an ambulance or the fire brigade! Imagine treating people who have contributed to our society in such a way in their hour of need! It's Unforgiveable!
Yet, if you have never ever contributed i.e. paid tax on your labour, there is no charge! I exempt from that criticism people who are looking after children or sick relations, in genuine full time education, who are genuinely sick or disabled or who are in prison! If you were capable of working during the Celtic Tiger time and chose not to, when/where will you work and what do we owe you exactly?:mad:
A society is judged on how it takes care of those who can't take care of themselves. On this count we fail. How the so called socialists in Labour can stand by and watch these things happening is beyond my understanding.
 

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Apart from the attack on carers in the recent budget have a look at this Monday Newspaper Review - Irish Business News and International Stories - - December 17, 2012

A charge being levied on cancer patients who have contributed to this so called society, but who have fallen through the net re medical cards and cannot afford health insurance. Add to this absurd charges for calling out an ambulance or the fire brigade! Imagine treating people who have contributed to our society in such a way in their hour of need! It's Unforgiveable!
Yet, if you have never ever contributed i.e. paid tax on your labour, there is no charge! I exempt from that criticism people who are looking after children or sick relations, in genuine full time education, who are genuinely sick or disabled or who are in prison! If you were capable of working during the Celtic Tiger time and chose not to, when/where will you work and what do we owe you exactly?:mad:
Just to clarify..
There is NO charge for emergency/999 ambulances (even if the VHI clinics sometimes try to stick it on the bill) and the charge for the fire service is to the premises not the Caller ( in other words don't be afraid to call something in if you are passing in the street). You can appeal the charge if your insurance does not cover it and you are not able to pay. This charge ain't ring fenced for the fire service by the way

I believe the charge for cancer treatment was in place already but waived on most occasions. Also you receive the treatment regardless of payment but its still sucky.
 

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Apart from the attack on carers in the recent budget have a look at this Monday Newspaper Review - Irish Business News and International Stories - - December 17, 2012

A charge being levied on cancer patients who have contributed to this so called society, but who have fallen through the net re medical cards and cannot afford health insurance. Add to this absurd charges for calling out an ambulance or the fire brigade! Imagine treating people who have contributed to our society in such a way in their hour of need! It's Unforgiveable!
Yet, if you have never ever contributed i.e. paid tax on your labour, there is no charge! I exempt from that criticism people who are looking after children or sick relations, in genuine full time education, who are genuinely sick or disabled or who are in prison! If you were capable of working during the Celtic Tiger time and chose not to, when/where will you work and what do we owe you exactly?:mad:
The 75 euro charge for day services is no new thing, and is the same as you would pay for any other day service. It's a fairly minimal contribution to the full cost of chemo. The disgraceful thing is the underhand way that this is being presented as if it were part of the budget cutbacks to try to get some public sympathy behind a move to abolish the charge. Those who want to do so should have been campaigning years ago, not piggybacking on the budget debate.
 

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A society is judged on how it takes care of those who can't take care of themselves. On this count we fail. How the so called socialists in Labour can stand by and watch these things happening is beyond my understanding.
What did the last three FF administrations do to abolish this charge?
 

General Urko

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Just to clarify..
There is NO charge for emergency/999 ambulances (even if the VHI clinics sometimes try to stick it on the bill) and the charge for the fire service is to the premises not the Caller ( in other words don't be afraid to call something in if you are passing in the street). You can appeal the charge if your insurance does not cover it and you are not able to pay. This charge ain't ring fenced for the fire service by the way
Thanks for that clarification, it needs to be made explicitly clear to the general public because the misconception of horrific charges in these matters does stop citizens rendering much needed assistance!
 

bob3367

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Jesus I never saw a charge, oh wait there was....
 

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A society is judged on how it takes care of those who can't take care of themselves. On this count we fail. How the so called socialists in Labour can stand by and watch these things happening is beyond my understanding.
How did you stand by and watch your party bankrupt this country?
 

General Urko

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Free stuff..!!!!!
I want more free stuff..!!!!
A person who has contributed through their labour and taxes is well entitled to essential treatment in their hour of need and why should they have to take second place to underclass rubbish at the bottom who have never contributed anything or the cleptomaniacs at the top of our society who have robbed them blind!:mad:
 

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What did the last three FF administrations do to abolish this charge?
My statement stands, no matter who is in power. FF were as guilty of these charges as anyone else. But they are not in power now. Its high time people started looking at the damage that is being caused in our society by the decisions and lack of decisions that are being made by government. 5000k for a party for those working in social protection. Thats a lot of chemo
 

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My statement stands, no matter who is in power. FF were as guilty of these charges as anyone else. But they are not in power now. Its high time people started looking at the damage that is being caused in our society by the decisions and lack of decisions that are being made by government. 5000k for a party for those working in social protection. Thats a lot of chemo
Are you arguing for totally free medical care for all?
 

White Horse

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A person who has contributed through their labour and taxes is well entitled to essential treatment in their hour of need and why should they have to take second place to underclass rubbish at the bottom who have never contributed anything or the cleptomaniacs at the top of our society who have robbed them blind!:mad:
You get F all in this country for working and paying taxes.
 

General Urko

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You get F all in this country for working and paying taxes.
Yeah, a boot in the nads when you are seriously sick, is about the height of it!
 

Bren Boru

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A person who has contributed through their labour and taxes is well entitled to essential treatment in their hour of need and why should they have to take second place to underclass rubbish at the bottom who have never contributed anything or the cleptomaniacs at the top of our society who have robbed them blind!:mad:
And in Ireland they are getting their essential treatment. They're just not getting it for free as you would wish. If we could afford to provide such treatment for free, I would be right behind you.

You might try and define the "underclass rubbish". You might have difficulty with that.

As for the "cleptomaniacs" - different argument.
 

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Are you arguing for totally free medical care for all?
No, I am argueing for fairness. If someone is in need of chemo on a regular basis, they should not be subjected to demands for money at the door of the hospital. God forbid, if I needed it I could afford it, I don't have private cover though. Many others can't. Where has our decency gone?
 

General Urko

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And in Ireland they are getting their essential treatment. They're just not getting it for free as you would wish. If we could afford to provide such treatment for free, I would be right behind you.

You might try and define the "underclass rubbish". You might have difficulty with that.

As for the "cleptomaniacs" - different argument.
Underclass rubbish those who only ever take and are encouraged by the system to so do, i.e. those that despite being able never worked during the Celtic Tiger period! My point is if you have contributed to the society in which you live in and then get seriously sick, you should not be treated in this fashion, no way! The Irish Cancer Society is worrying that it may stop people getting/seeking treatment! How insane/sad is that?
 

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75€ up to a limit of 750€ per year might seem a token amount to pay for some people, but all hospitals have car park charges that could add on 10€ to that charge. Most people will have a member of family the with them or a friend, add in a sandwich and coffee for this person and it's now 100€ per day before petrol cost and for some toll charges. Isn't there worry enough in trying to fight cancer without worrying will you have the money to pay on the day, or else having to request it to be changed to a Thursday when you might have the money .
 

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