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Do our leaders really think we're that stupid?


Disillusioned democrat

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Now that the budget is over and the politicians can talk sh1te again for 11 months and hope we can't actually remember why we think they're re-electable, Frances Fitz has come out to say she'd really, really liked to have done something completely different to what her department actually did do...what a great way to run a country.

Fitzgerald favours subsidised childcare over benefit - The Irish Times - Thu, Dec 27, 2012

Basically she's saying what many have already said before her - that as it's constituted currently Childrens' Allowance is money down the drain with no guaranteed return whereas a far better model would be to make sure all kids get a good start in life irrespective of their bad fortune to be born into families not able to look after them.

Of course this makes great sense, but the time for the debate was BEFORE the budget consigned us to another year of insanity, not once the budget was done and dusted and it's just talk.
 


DCon

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Do our leaders really think we're that stupid?

Yes, and with good cause
 

Analyzer

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Yes. They patronize us routinely, and treat us like a collection of uninformed children.

And that is the key. If the people know SFA, then the establishment can always feel comfrotable and enabled to treat the people like as if they are stupid.

A compliant media make it happen.
 

skiii

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We're world class in the stupidity stakes. Rule number one to rectify this situation- whenever you hear a politician praised as being intelligent or of having integrity, the opposite is likely to be the case. Any further tips?
 

Disillusioned democrat

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Different thread really - I'm a BIG believer in the idea of the state being less involved financially in child-rearing but more involved in providing level playing field for all kids from health, education and nutrition perspective. If that means providing unsuitable parents with an ability to off-load kids to let them get a better grounding so be it.

What's getting on my 'nads is the fact that the junior minister has only come out with this now, a month too late to do anything about it but still feels entitled to tell us all how it should be, when clearly she's just voted for something completely different.
 

DCon

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We're world class in the stupidity stakes. Rule number one to rectify this situation- whenever you hear a politician praised as being intelligent or of having integrity, the opposite is likely to be the case. Any further tips?
whenever someone says they always vote for XX, or are an XX man/woman, their opinion on anything should be dismissed.
 

im axeled

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the problem is the electorate is faced with real stupid choices on who to vote for, when we vote for one of them then it proves the point.
 

dompedro

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One of Irelands great strengths is people like you who recognise the grave threat this Government represents to the well being and continuation of a functioning Irish State. Keep on raising the issues until others listen and just maybe,a new party will rise with the backing of the people, and with the knowledge and courage to save our nation.
That, my Friends , appears to be only hope.
 

Disillusioned democrat

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One of Irelands great strengths is people like you who recognise the grave threat this Government represents to the well being and continuation of a functioning Irish State. Keep on raising the issues until others listen and just maybe,a new party will rise with the backing of the people, and with the knowledge and courage to save our nation.
That, my Friends , appears to be only hope.
Wait a minute....are you taking the p1ss?:D
 

seanmoylantd

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We are.We read the Indo,watch RTE,eat and go to work.We think as we are told to.We vote as we are told to eg Children's Rights Ref./Ruairi Quinn secularizing our schools.[no mandate]and us letting him do it.

These are issues that require local consent and ,we go along with them,despite our misgivings an niggling doubts because we don't want to be the local ''character''.
 

NLPete

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People make a big mistake thinking that the Gov and permanant Gov are stupid. The 'stupid' comes out of us as a coping mechanism.

They dont make mistakes, they make decisions based on interests and explain by plausable deniability why the cream floats to the top...constantly.

Human nature and the whip take care of any other issues.
 

Mitsui2

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People make a big mistake thinking that the Gov and permanant Gov are stupid. The 'stupid' comes out of us as a coping mechanism.

They dont make mistakes, they make decisions based on interests and explain by plausable deniability why the cream floats to the top...constantly.
To be fair, if it were just cream that floated to the top I wouldn't mind: it's all those floating brown things I object to myself.
 

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Well...if they tell fibs to us in order to get elected....like plump bunny sez...then it is logical to conclude that they assume there is a sizeable contingent that are stupid.....

did you believe the plump bunny's fibs ?
 

merle haggard

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Well...if they tell fibs to us in order to get elected....like plump bunny sez...then it is logical to conclude that they assume there is a sizeable contingent that are stupid.....

did you believe the plump bunny's fibs ?
its not just they tell fibs, its that they keep telling the same fibs and then keep doing the same stuff over and over . It never fails . Hence stupidity is the logical answer to the conundrum . We are a nation of thickos.
 

NLPete

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One wee farmer can control a herd with nothin but shouts and a stick. Is he in control...or do the herd just think he is.
 

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