Do "the poor" have the right to become rich

Foghorn

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There have been a lot (to say it mildly) of posts about "the rich" and it now seems to be an emerging perspective that there is some form of shame about becoming well-off.

What I'm wondering is what rights that bestows on the poor whose predicament is decried at every turn. If a poor man or woman manages through their hard work, intellect and despite the odds become well-of or daresay it "rich" have they then brought some shame upon themselves? So do "the poor" have the right to become rich?

And if not, what are they to do when they reach a particular point of wealth?

It is an interesting question in my mind because in being critical of wealth doesn't it undermine the aspirations of those who are presently poor and who would like to become wealthy?
 


derm0t

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It would be nice to step outside the frame of this beaten-to-death frame, and question:

1. Whether money should exist at all (being a construct).
2. What is Money? Most money is debt, an IOU, requiring permanent growth, or collapse.
3. Fractional reserve banking creates money out of thin air. A nonsense worthy of Swift.
4. The end result is a system that demands eternal growth on a finite planet.

The goal should be a steady state economy, and the abolition of money.

Sorry if hoary 18th and 19th century arguments are of no interest, going forward.
 

ifreannach

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what undermines aspirations is money, you can never have enough. the majority of people dont aspire to be wealthy in the monetary sense, this is a fallacy propogated by the media and established corrupt institutions
 

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Everybody should have to opportunity climb up the social / wealth ladder through hard work/ education/opportunity. If they choose not this opportunity, well that is another matter.
 

Ramon21

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The poor and rich should switch every year, thats fair right?
And the middleclass should stay the same.
 

Watcher2

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Everyone has the right to get rich so long as they work for it/take appropriate actions that will generate those riches.
 

The Dude

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There's nothing wrong with being wealthy, but it should go hand in hand with an acknowledgement that the society you live in facilitates this wealth, and the logical conclusion of this is that you give your share back to society.

It's the self-entitlement of rich people who begrudge having to make their contribution to a society that has treated them so well that angers people.
 

liamfoley

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The poor (whatever that is) have the right to become rich (whatever that is) through hard work, investment, education and entrepreneurship. Now through theft and wealth redistribution (tax) no, no one has a right to that.
 

Goban Saor

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It would be nice to step outside the frame of this beaten-to-death frame, and question:

1. Whether money should exist at all (being a construct).
2. What is Money? Most money is debt, an IOU, requiring permanent growth, or collapse.
3. Fractional reserve banking creates money out of thin air. A nonsense worthy of Swift.
4. The end result is a system that demands eternal growth on a finite planet.

The goal should be a steady state economy, and the abolition of money.

Sorry if hoary 18th and 19th century arguments are of no interest, going forward.
Free banking is the way to go.

Economics
 

Watcher2

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NO - They were born unlucky - Wealth is Just Luck - Nothing else - Just Luck
There is a difference between being wealthy and being rich. Any fool can be rich, that relates to income. To be wealthy, that requires a whole different set of principals, and you are probably right, you probably need to be born into it. IMHO wealth is only generated through the intelligent use and investment of riches/incme in a sustained manner.
 

Furze

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Yes but then a new poor is created.
 

Albert O'Camus

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They have the right to become rich in the sense that the society they live in should facilitate their ability to get rich should they work hard.
 

greenjerseyman

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There's nothing wrong with being wealthy, but it should go hand in hand with an acknowledgement that the society you live in facilitates this wealth, and the logical conclusion of this is that you give your share back to society.

It's the self-entitlement of rich people who begrudge having to make their contribution to a society that has treated them so well that angers people.
The problem we have in this world is that it is the people who create nothing who seem to get the biggest financial packages and the honest workers are not fairly remunerated for their labour. I have no problem with the wealthy as long as their wealth is not made on the backs of the ordinary man, but unfortunately this is rarely the case. How is it that a crook on Wall St can make millions every year by gambling with our money when somebody who actually creates something tangible out of wood/metal might only get 100 euro. Our present system is mental
 

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It is an interesting question in my mind because in being critical of wealth doesn't it undermine the aspirations of those who are presently poor and who would like to become wealthy?
Absolutely and it also reflects deep arrogance amongst those who feel the poor need wealth to be "redistributed" in order for them to gain access to it. Once we have a good balance of equality of opportunity from an early age then wealth will be redistributed by people using their talents and their sweat.
 


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