Do you believe Cowen will negotiate a good deal with IMF?

anewbeginning

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First off I don't think there is a need for any politicians to be involved in negotiations with the IMF and Cowen is using this bogus excuse to hold onto power even longer. Cowen will not be involved in day to day discussions with the IMF. Patrick Honahan and Mathew Elderfield will be the primary negotiators. However, Cowen may have some input or the final say.

In any event, Cowen's record of negotiating deals has been atrocious. Deal after deal at vast expense to the taxpayer and often contrary to the interests of the taxpayer, and in the interests of Fianna Fail and friends.

And now we have the expert negotiator Cowen negotiating on behalf of Ireland inc. Is anyone as depressed at this prospect as I am? His record as a politician has been one of gross negligence and incompetence, and this is the guy who wants to negotiate with the IMF?

The IMF wouldn't be in Ireland if it wasn't for his disastrous time as Minister For Finance when he allowed the banks grow into massive unregulated casinos.

He and his party will not be around to face the consequences of the deal. FG and Labour will have to implement the IMF agreement and be forced to take the blame. Cowen, the tribal politician then, who only ever puts FF interests first, will be tempted to negotiate a terrible deal for Ireland and leave the next government with little or no leeway or spare cash to spend on a jobs strategy.

I don't trust Cowen to get a good deal for Ireland. I simply don't trust this clown to do anything right. What I expect him to do is negotiate a vastly expensive deal for the country with excessive interest rates, and putting the next government in a straight jacket not of their making.

This will make opposition for Fianna Fail more easy and help their future election chances.

As ever, Cowen will put Fianna Fail first and the country last in negotiations with the IMF and with this one last deal will leave us bankrupt for generations to come.

He should not be in a position to do any more deals for Ireland, since the majority of his previous deals have lead to the bankrupting of the country.
 


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First off I don't think there is a need for any politicians to be involved in negotiations with the IMF and Cowen is using this bogus excuse to hold onto power even longer. Cowen will not be involved in day to day discussions with the IMF. Patrick Honahan and Mathew Elderfield will be the primary negotiators. However, Cowen may have some input or the final say.

In any event, Cowen's record of negotiating deals has been atrocious. Deal after deal at vast expense to the taxpayer and often contrary to the interests of the taxpayer, and in the interests of Fianna Fail and friends.

And now we have the expert negotiator Cowen negotiating on behalf of Ireland inc. Is anyone as depressed at this prospect as I am? His record as a politician has been one of gross negligence and incompetence, and this is the guy who wants to negotiate with the IMF?

The IMF wouldn't be in Ireland if it wasn't for his disastrous time as Minister For Finance when he allowed the banks grow into massive unregulated casinos.

He and his party will not be around to face the consequences of the deal. FG and Labour will have to implement the IMF agreement and be forced to take the blame. Cowen, the tribal politician then, who only ever puts FF interests first, will be tempted to negotiate a terrible deal for Ireland and leave the next government with little or no leeway or spare cash to spend on a jobs strategy.

I don't trust Cowen to get a good deal for Ireland. I simply don't trust this clown to do anything right. What I expect him to do is negotiate a vastly expensive deal for the country with excessive interest rates, and putting the next government in a straight jacket not of their making.

This will make opposition for Fianna Fail more easy and help their future election chances.

As ever, Cowen will put Fianna Fail first and the country last in negotiations with the IMF and with this one last deal will leave us bankrupt for generations to come.

He should not be in a position to do any more deals for Ireland, since the majority of his previous deals have lead to the bankrupting of the country.
The EU and IMF are desperate for Cowen to be the negotiator....

He's already broken and looking out for himself.

Self Interest is to drunk what National Interest is to nasal congestion.
 

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The title of this thread belongs in 'political humour'. In fact, I think the whole Fianna Fáil section does.
 

kerdasi amaq

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Yes, for the IMF.
 

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Will he negotiate a good deal for Ireland? Not a hope.
 
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The IMF only do good deals for themselves. Do not accept any 'bailout'.
 

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In any event, Cowen's record of negotiating deals has been atrocious. Deal after deal at vast expense to the taxpayer and often contrary to the interests of the taxpayer, and in the interests of Fianna Fail and friends.

And now we have the expert negotiator Cowen negotiating on behalf of Ireland inc. Is anyone as depressed at this prospect as I am? His record as a politician has been one of gross negligence and incompetence, and this is the guy who wants to negotiate with the IMF?
Spot on. The IMF must be taking lessons from the Irish banks - tell Cowen that if he doesn't sign on the dotted line now, Armageddon will ensue, as surely as night follows day. Then he'll fold, like a cheap suit.

I wouldn't send the lawfirm Cowen, Lenihan, Ahern & Co. to the post office to secure a dog licence
 

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Why does Cowen cling on for IMF, the budget, the four year plan?

Because FF want to make make sure that the fat-assed elite get into the lifeboats ahead of ordinary Irish women and children.
 

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Come to think of it, if he could hold himself together, there's nobody better placed to hold out for good terms.

I'm actually serious.

Ireland's only real leverage over the EU/ECB/IMF derives from the fallout for the rest of Europe (and the world) if Irish banks collapse and the Irish state defaults on its external obligations.

Now ask yourself: what leading Irish politician can credibly threaten to allow that to happen?

It would have to be someone with little left to lose, who wouldn't fear the political consequences, and who might even give the impression of welcoming the opportunity to visit real pain and anguish on an ungrateful citizenry.

Cowen fits the bill, no?

(On the other hand, a good deal would benefit the next government, so scratch that.)
 
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I just despair when i seen this thread. Cowen is the most haggard, tired, tribal 'leader' this state has ever seen.so NO
 

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It would have to be someone with little left to lose, who wouldn't fear the political consequences, and who might even give the impression of welcoming the opportunity to visit real pain and anguish on an ungrateful citizenry.

Cowen fits the bill, no?
Interesting view. The only way that could possibly work is if Cowen went in there as a parody of the drunken Irishman, tanked up to the gills and shouting "I'll get 'em all back, the ungrateful whelps" in between impressions of Philip Walton.

And that wouldn't work, because we know for a fact that Cowen doesn't drink...............
 

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I suspect the Real Taoiseach, Bertie Ahern will also have his say in negotiations.

The criminals who got us into the mess are now negotiating with the IMF.

Germany, April 1945, anyone?

FF have no legitimacy or credibility to "negototiate" on our behalf. And they are notorious for rushing through crooked self serving deals immediately before elections. The IMF deal will cap it all I believe.

They are completely uncapable of putting the country first.
 

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For so-called "national interests", that FF claim all that they are interested in, they should change the changed laws on extraction of natural resources and ensure some revenue stream from our offshore gas fields. This could build us proper schools, abolish 3rd level fees and so on and so forth. Vincent Browne should get some legal heads and discuss this on the show.

I am confident FF have NO intention to get the best deal for the nation. It's laughable to even consider that they would think about it.
 

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Would you let the drunk driver who has just caused a series of major 25 car pile ups, drive the ambulance?
 

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I suspect the asset strippers will be circling this IMF deal like vultures waiting to see what will come their way.

What has already been flagged is a reduction in the minimum wage and a reduction in social welfare.

I have no doubt there will be significant privatisations, with ESB probably one of them.

Goldman Sachs, Dermot Desmond, A J O'Reilly and other asset strippers will no doubt have to have their say on the IMF deal.

Did we ever find out what was in that deal between Cowen and A J O'Reilly pre 2007 election? Maybe O'Reilly will call in some favours?

Cowen is now in a position to sign off on one more deal that could significantly benefit the asset strippers.
 

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He's frantically scribbling down our position on the back of a beermat, as we speak.
 

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I think the whole eurozone strategy of bailouts is going to implode, especially in light of the developments in Portugal (114% debt to GDP) and Spain (couldn't sell its full bond offer today), the rot has only started to show and I think the following quote from Ayn Rand sums it all up: "If you saw Atlas, the giant who holds the world on his shoulders, if you saw that he stood, blood running down his chest, his knees buckling, his arms trembling but still trying to hold the world aloft with the last of his strength, and the greater the effort the heavier the world bore down upon his shoulders....."
 

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I suspect the Real Taoiseach, Bertie Ahern will also have his say in negotiations.

The criminals who got us into the mess are now negotiating with the IMF.

Germany, April 1945, anyone?

FF have no legitimacy or credibility to "negototiate" on our behalf. And they are notorious for rushing through crooked self serving deals immediately before elections. The IMF deal will cap it all I believe.

They are completely uncapable of putting the country first.
Scumbag Ahern won`t get within an asses roar of the negotiations-he is dead in the water-yesterday`s man. Hopefully he has fled the country as life is about to get very difficult for him after what he has done to Ireland.
 


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