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Doctor refuses to treat child. Professional misconduct?




Hewson

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Bizarre story. I can't imagine a doctor arriving on the scene of a RTA looking for forty Euro to treat someone trapped inside a crushed car.

If it's as the mother says, the bugger should be struck off.
 

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Doctor refused to treat child after mum couldn't pay - Independent.ie

Seems a bit harsh to me. Clearly he may be an arsehole and every service provider should expect that in these straitened times a lot of work will be pro bono, whether that be considered part of the social contract or simply good karma. But surprised that it is grounds for a misconduct charge.
Turns out he was Swedish. Is he here as a refugee from Swedish socialism, trying to make as much money as possible for himself ?
 

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the bit the piqued my interest was that in, from reading the report, a "he daid, she said" situation, that they found him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. of it was me with that evidence id be appealling the finding
 

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Turns out he was Swedish. Is he here as a refugee from Swedish socialism, trying to make as much money as possible for himself ?
in coolock?????
 

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Bizarre story. I can't imagine a doctor arriving on the scene of a RTA looking for forty Euro to treat someone trapped inside a crushed car.

If it's as the mother says, the bugger should be struck off.
I suppose the question is where do you draw the line?
Should the doctor treat everyone who turns up at his surgery and says they can't pay? In theory that's the implication.
 

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The determining thing for me would be if it was an emergency, which does not appear to be case. here. If she went to a dentist with a toothache would same apply ?
 

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I understand that the doc has a business to run, and should not be forced into certain things

but, in light of the age of the kid, and fear that such good deeds would attract more chancers, he could have given a discount (poxy €40 - i know it adds up, but come on) or even arranged payment by instalments or at least, send her to a colleage who would help rather than have her walk around aimlessly.

Maybe it was to set an example, good PR in bad times. After all , many an old school doctor were known for good deeds

I still have some sympathy for the doc, but also for the mother
Yeah. I have little sympathy for him. It is still only €40.

But it just seems strange that someone would be compelled to provide a free service or face misconduct.
 

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Turns out he was Swedish. Is he here as a refugee from Swedish socialism, trying to make as much money as possible for himself ?
First they'll destroy our cities then we will be forced to turn to them to refurbish them via Ikea*.....the bounders!

(Frankie Boyle joke)
 

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Certainly sets a new precedent. Just show up at your doctor or dentist, and say you have no money. Refer to this bizarre judgement for free treatment if your either hesitates.

It's also not as if an abscess is a life or death situation, such as a child being brought in who was is not breathing or with a stopped heart.
 

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I suppose the question is where do you draw the line?
Should the doctor treat everyone who turns up at his surgery and says they can't pay? In theory that's the implication.
It depends on the circumstances. If a child is presented with an abnormal growth then I would consider a failure to treat it as a dereliction of duty.

The Hippocratic Oath ought to take precedence over the colour of money.
 

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Certainly sets a new precedent. Just show up at your doctor or dentist, and say you have no money. Refer to this bizarre judgement for free treatment if your either hesitates.

It's also not as if an abscess is a life or death situation, such as a child being brought in who was is not breathing or with a stopped heart.
I do that sometimes and guess what? He does treat me. He has a thing called a 'COMPUTER' which logs that I didn't pay him and next time I'm around I drop in the bill either via cash or a CC and if I don't his receptionist hounds me for it.
 

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I find this rather bizarre. Having worked face to face with the public a simple misunderstanding can cause you to be in the sh1t. It is strange she arrived with no money at all. Who does that? I would actually believe the doc in this case, it sounds reasonable, she heard no medical card, she perceived that as I am not treating you.
 

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I do that sometimes and guess what? He does treat me. He has a thing called a 'COMPUTER' which logs that I didn't pay him and next time I'm around I drop in the bill either via cash or a CC and if I don't his receptionist hounds me for it.
But if you show up again a second time and third time, and you say your financial situation has still not improved, the same principle applies each time that you must be treated.

Also what would an on-call doctor or a walk-in doctor who you attend just once do? Get a solicitor to collect the €40? He might end up before the Medical Council for causing undue stress on a patient.
 

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I do that sometimes and guess what? He does treat me. He has a thing called a 'COMPUTER' which logs that I didn't pay him and next time I'm around I drop in the bill either via cash or a CC and if I don't his receptionist hounds me for it.
Fair play if he does treat you.

But apparently now he HAS to treat you, which is different.
 

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It depends on the circumstances. If a child is presented with an abnormal growth then I would consider a failure to treat it as a dereliction of duty.

The Hippocratic Oath ought to take precedence over the colour of money.
doctors in ireland dont take a hippocratic oath, they are bound by imc guidelines
 

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doctors in ireland dont take a hippocratic oath, they are bound by imc guidelines
But those guidelines are virtually indistinguishable from the HO.

A patient in distress, or who exhibits symptoms of a potentially life-threatening illness, cannot be denied treatment/attention. To do so flies in the face of a doctor's calling.

It's not a job at a desk in Goldman Sachs.
 

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I wonder will the doctor appeal this to the High Court? He said that he never refused to treat the child, and it was his understanding the mother was gone to get money.
 

vladimir

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But those guidelines are virtually indistinguishable from the HO.

A patient in distress, or who exhibits symptoms of a potentially life-threatening illness, cannot be denied treatment/attention. To do so flies in the face of a doctor's calling.

It's not a job at a desk in Goldman Sachs.
Every symptom you could have, from a simple red rash to a headache could potentially be a symptom of a life-threatening illness.
 

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