Does anyone know a politician that would do better for themselves in the private sector?

Disillusioned democrat

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One of my recurring problems with Irish democracy is that, by and large, our politicians are career politicians who, IMHO, are in politics for themselves rather than any sense of public service.

People like Michael Lowry - with tribunal findings against him and a continually deferred tax case against him is the go-to example. i suspect he's now only in politics to keep himself out of prison.

The late Jackie Healy-Rae made a lot of money from contracts awarded by the council his family and former party dominated.

Bertie Ahern was an unqualified book keeper who made uncountable (by him anyway) money while in local and national government.

In a parallel (and possibly more prosperous) universe our current Taoiseach might me a principal of a country national school based on the acumen he demonstrated as a young adult.

Etc, etc. Too many examples of unqualified and possibly untalented individuals doing well out of politics.

My question is simple - are there politicians out there that people have encountered who they believe are actually in politics out of a sense of public service?
 


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One of my recurring problems with Irish democracy is that, by and large, our politicians are career politicians who, IMHO, are in politics for themselves rather than any sense of public service.

People like Michael Lowry - with tribunal findings against him and a continually deferred tax case against him is the go-to example. i suspect he's now only in politics to keep himself out of prison.

The late Jackie Healy-Rae made a lot of money from contracts awarded by the council his family and former party dominated.

Bertie Ahern was an unqualified book keeper who made uncountable (by him anyway) money while in local and national government.

In a parallel (and possibly more prosperous) universe our current Taoiseach might me a principal of a country national school based on the acumen he demonstrated as a young adult.

Etc, etc. Too many examples of unqualified and possibly untalented individuals doing well out of politics.

My question is simple - are there politicians out there that people have encountered who they believe are actually in politics out of a sense of public service?
Yes. Many.

Usually, they enjoy successful careers...doctors, lawyers, accountants etc.
 

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Yes. Many.

Usually, they enjoy successful careers...doctors, lawyers, accountants etc.
...and they would be????

There could be an election in a few months - I'd genuinely like people to be more aware of the "good guys" out there because quite frankly I believe we're very poorly served in Ireland by self-serving politicians.
 

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Jim O'Callaghan SC, Dr Reilly, Dr Varadakar, Consultant Donnelly, Solicitor Shatter, educator Zappone, etc
 

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If you mean more lucrative then people like McDowell makes much more money outside of politics than in it. The solicitors probably earn money from their firms while in politics anyway.
The great Donie Cassidy and Albert Reynolds would be a couple of exceptions but Donie seemed to get some great deals while in politics to, the airport bars etc.
 

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There are none that I can think of from FFGLAB that I would ever employ in any capacity, absolutely none and some are obviously promoted beyond any level of ability, of which Fitzie Fitzie is the most blatant example, IMHO!
If I was down in a trench under enemy fire, there is no way I would want De Bert, Biffo or Kenny, anywhere near me and in a sense with the survival of the nation at stake prior to the enforced Troika Criminality that was the case and is quite likely to be the case with Brexit too!
 
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Micheal Martin. All that stops him, like all FF leaders before, is his selfless and unwaivering commitment to the service of the public.
 

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Jim O'Callaghan SC, Dr Reilly, Dr Varadakar, Consultant Donnelly, Solicitor Shatter, educator Zappone, etc
Varadkar never practiced I thought, doubt he could at this stage without serious training. Doesn't seem the caring sort anyway to be honest. The big money requires a fair few more years in education that Vlad might not enjoy.
 

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Seemingly, Paschal O'D took a 50% cut in his salary to become a TD.

And the Bald Cretin who recently took the FF shilling must have been on decent wages before his ego persuaded him that his future lay in becoming Willie O'Dee's sidekick.
 

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Didn't someone put up an interview with Liz O Donnell recently?

She was head of a department in McCann Fitz. before she entered politics. €€€€
 

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Seemingly, Paschal O'D took a 50% cut in his salary to become a TD.

And the Bald Cretin who recently took the FF shilling must have been on decent wages before his ego persuaded him that his future lay in becoming Willie O'Dee's sidekick.
What was Pascal in the real world? He does stand out somewhat as a guy who knows his way around a spreadsheet.
 

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How much money would the likes of McDowell or Callaghan make in the law if the Oireachtas ever deregulated their profession like the Troika told us to. So they keep a toe in the Oireachtas to stop that happening. It's like Seanie Fitzpatrick being the Financial Regulator.
 

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Micheal Martin. All that stops him, like all FF leaders before, is his selfless and unwaivering commitment to the service of the public.
Serving the public absolute horsedung for years.
 

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It is an old shibboleth that politicians should be benchmarked against industry leaders. They tend to get non-executive board positions at best.

While many CEOs could do their roles very few politicians could be CEOs. Politicians are generally only hired because they can provide access to serving political officeholders, ministers and senior civil servants.

The real beauty is the lovely notion that some civil servants have that they are the equivalent of industry leaders as well.

That would be some culture shock.
 

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It is an old shibboleth that politicians should be benchmarked against industry leaders. They tend to get non-executive board positions at best.

While many CEOs could do their roles very few politicians could be CEOs. Politicians are generally only hired because they can provide access to serving political officeholders, ministers and senior civil servants.

The real beauty is the lovely notion that some civil servants have that they are the equivalent of industry leaders as well.

That would be some culture shock.
Retired politicians and civil servants don't get appointed to boards for their expertise. They get appointed because they have access to the people who are writing and enforcing the laws.
 

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I suppose they could go into prostitution. Or the senior service as it is known in political circles.

Transferable skills.
 

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Retired politicians and civil servants don't get appointed to boards for their expertise. They get appointed because they have access to the people who are writing and enforcing the laws.
Companies specialising in tax laws don't employ former workers in Revenue?!
 


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