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Does Globalisation prevent wars?

saab900

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Was listening to Talking Books on Newstalk this evening, which featured an interview with John Andrews, author of The World In Conflict.

https://profilebooks.com/the-world-in-conflict.html

Listen back - 10300 - 27711 - 29th May 2016 - Talking Books...

He made the point that one of the reasons why we haven't had global conflicts over the last 70 years is because globalisation means we have too much to lose.

At the start of the 20th century, international trade was a fraction of what it is today, and nation states were largely self-sufficient in terms of providing for themselves, meaning that getting into a slagging match with your neighbour didn't have the same economic consequences that it has today.

I thought it was an interesting perspective. I think globalisation in general is a malevolent force. It consumes the planets resources at a alarming rate and pits unequal economic powers against each other, in which the more responsible are generally the losers.

But what if it had never happened, and we were all cocooned in our nation states, paying €2,000 for a new washing machine and heading off in the morning to work in shoe factories, wondering if we were going to go to war next year over some disputed tract of land that none of us had ever been to.

Would we be better off?
 


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What a load of tosh! Wars????? What the hell do you think has been going on in Iraq, Syria, Afganistan, Serbia Yemen and many other places. What else other than globalisation (Americanisation) is murderous slaughter happening in these countries????
 

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The older you get the more you realise how corrupt the world is, totally run in favour of the 1%, those countries that had actually managed to achieve some sense of fairness are being systematically destroyed through outsourcing, multinational tax avoidance coupled with slave labour and mass immigration to destroy hard won social welfare systems, people like suds lecture us for not quickening the pace of destruction.

How many pensions and houses has that mouthpiece got ?
 

saab900

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What a load of tosh! Wars????? What the hell do you think has been going on in Iraq, Syria, Afganistan, Serbia Yemen and many other places. What else other than globalisation (Americanisation) is murderous slaughter happening in these countries????
Those are actually all civil wars, which are obviously not what the discussion is about.
 

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But what if it had never happened, and we were all cocooned in our nation states, paying €2,000 for a new washing machine and heading off in the morning to work in shoe factories, wondering if we were going to go to war next year over some disputed tract of land that none of us had ever been to.
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Luxury!
 

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Wars jebus there are wars going on and off for decades and shyte loads going on today .the guy must be going on about no war on the continents of Europe , USA otherwise it's aloud of bollocks.

Was listening to Talking Books on Newstalk this evening, which featured an interview with John Andrews, author of The World In Conflict.

https://profilebooks.com/the-world-in-conflict.html

Listen back - 10300 - 27711 - 29th May 2016 - Talking Books...

He made the point that one of the reasons why we haven't had global conflicts over the last 70 years is because globalisation means we have too much to lose.

At the start of the 20th century, international trade was a fraction of what it is today, and nation states were largely self-sufficient in terms of providing for themselves, meaning that getting into a slagging match with your neighbour didn't have the same economic consequences that it has today.

I thought it was an interesting perspective. I think globalisation in general is a malevolent force. It consumes the planets resources at a alarming rate and pits unequal economic powers against each other, in which the more responsible are generally the losers.

But what if it had never happened, and we were all cocooned in our nation states, paying €2,000 for a new washing machine and heading off in the morning to work in shoe factories, wondering if we were going to go to war next year over some disputed tract of land that none of us had ever been to.

Would we be better off?
 

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The older you get the more you realise how corrupt the world is, totally run in favour of the 1%, those countries that had actually managed to achieve some sense of fairness are being systematically destroyed through outsourcing, multinational tax avoidance coupled with slave labour and mass immigration to destroy hard won social welfare systems, people like suds lecture us for not quickening the pace of destruction.

How many pensions and houses has that mouthpiece got ?
How do you explain that there are more than 7bn people in the world today, compared to 2bn at the start of World War II, and yet there are fewer deaths from conflict today (in absolute terms) than at any time in the last 500 years?
 

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Who are the 1% and at what monetary value do you become one of the 1%?

The older you get the more you realise how corrupt the world is, totally run in favour of the 1%, those countries that had actually managed to achieve some sense of fairness are being systematically destroyed through outsourcing, multinational tax avoidance coupled with slave labour and mass immigration to destroy hard won social welfare systems, people like suds lecture us for not quickening the pace of destruction.

How many pensions and houses has that mouthpiece got ?
 

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Wars jebus there are wars going on and off for decades and shyte loads going on today .the guy must be going on about no war on the continents of Europe , USA otherwise it's aloud of bollocks.
There have been very few wars between nations over the last 50 years, at least on the basis of historical comparison. Most wars we see these days are civil wars, which are very different than the traditional disputes between nations that led to conflict in the past.
 

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A lot of these civil wars you talk about get a bitteen of a push from Western Governments look tha Libya , Syria, Egypt ,Ukraine etc.

There have been very few wars between nations over the last 50 years, at least on the basis of historical comparison. Most wars we see these days are civil wars, which are very different than the traditional disputes between nations that led to conflict in the past.
 

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No they are not.
Well they are really.

When someone refers to "the war in <insert country>" they're generally referring to an internal conflict. The poster who brought this subject up didn't mention any wars between nations, just wars in nations.

Syria is a civil war
Iraq is a civil war
Afghanistan is a civil war
Sudan is a civil war
etc etc

If they aren't, which other nation states are these countries fighting?

Civil wars are very common in the developing world and are very, very different from established nation states entering into conflict with modern, professional armies which is quite clearly what the author of the book was referring to.
 

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What about Iraq ?
Well they are really.

When someone refers to "the war in <insert country>" they're generally referring to an internal conflict. The poster who brought this subject up didn't mention any wars between nations, just wars in nations.

Syria is a civil war
Iraq is a civil war
Afghanistan is a civil war
Sudan is a civil war
etc etc

Civil wars are very common in the developing world and very, very different from established nation states entering into conflict with modern, professional armies which is quite clearly what the author of the book was referring to.
 

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What about Iraq ?
You know, if you want to start a discussion about the difference between civil and international war you can start one on your own steam.

The question I posed relates to war between established nation states and their established neighbours and traditional foes.
 

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Well they are really.

When someone refers to "the war in <insert country>" they're generally referring to an internal conflict. The poster who brought this subject up didn't mention any wars between nations, just wars in nations.

Syria is a civil war
Iraq is a civil war
Afghanistan is a civil war
Sudan is a civil war
etc etc

Civil wars are very common in the developing world and very, very different from established nation states entering into conflict with modern, professional armies which is quite clearly what the author of the book was referring to.
What are you on about?

Iraq was an illegal regime change war between Israel, the US and Britain vs Iraq.

Libya was an illegal regime change war between the US, Britain and France vs Gadaffi

Syria is a regime change war between Israel, the US, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Qatar, Britain, France - using terrorist proxies, vs Assad's Syria.

None were/are civil wars.
 

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What are you on about?

Iraq was an illegal regime change war between Israel, the US and Britain vs Iraq.

Libya was an illegal regime change war between the US, Britain and France vs Gadaffi

Syria is a regime change war between Israel, the US, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Qatar, Britain, France - using terrorist proxies, vs Assad's Syria.

None were/are civil wars.
Sod it.

Thought I'd drop in a for a bit of a enlightened historical discussion after a long day mowing the grass.

Going to watch Peep Show on YouTube instead.
 

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Thought I'd drop in a for a bit of a enlightened historical discussion after a long day mowing the grass.
Nothing wrong with that but you need to get the historical part right first.
 

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What are you on about?

Iraq was an illegal regime change war between Israel, the US and Britain vs Iraq.

Libya was an illegal regime change war between the US, Britain and France vs Gadaffi

Syria is a regime change war between Israel, the US, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Qatar, Britain, France - using terrorist proxies, vs Assad's Syria.

None were/are civil wars.
A bizarre view of the world....

Saddam Hussein invaded neighbours and behaved like a thug. Why do you include Israel ?
Libya was a civil war. Parts of the population started to revolt and were only later helped by outside forces. I am surprised you do not include Israel.
Syria started as another civil war, of course with plenty of outside interference happening since the start. It is more everybody against everybody. Of course you cannot leave out Israel.
 


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