Does Ireland need a conventional Air Force?



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In my opinion it undermines our sovereignty to have to depend on other countries. It has been reported that an agreement exists with the UK, effectively allowing them to perform this role. That seems a greater threat to our neutrality than us having our own intercept capability.
 

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Just a point on a Hercules, great if you have to land on a dirt airstrip in the back of beyond but they are noisy and uncomfortable, better suited for cargo than people.
 

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In my opinion it undermines our sovereignty to have to depend on other countries. It has been reported that an agreement exists with the UK, effectively allowing them to perform this role. That seems a greater threat to our neutrality than us having our own intercept capability.
Well, if you are offering a few F111s or Eurofighters funded by your good self, sure knock yourself out. Ireland is on the western approaches to the UK, rather famously, and someone told Downing Street that a long time ago. So it is in their interests to watch the Atlantic approaches and the south west. Happy enough to let them do it.

After all, Nigel Farage and the 17.4 million are paying for it, bless 'em.
 

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Just a point on a Hercules, great if you have to land on a dirt airstrip in the back of beyond but they are noisy and uncomfortable, better suited for cargo than people.
Airbus 400, about 100 knots faster, also flies further, higher and carries more, and has the same sort of rough field capability as a Herc. Luxembourg has 1 of these aircraft but operates it as part of a joint fleet with Belgium(which has 7).
 

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Could we not deploy our well-known skills in aircraft leasing and just lease some military jets instead? Along with our gallant allies from the aircraft leasing industry the Isle of Man, Channel Islands, the Caymans, Bermuda ... that way we wouldn't have to worry about depreciation during World War Three.
 

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In my opinion it undermines our sovereignty to have to depend on other countries. It has been reported that an agreement exists with the UK, effectively allowing them to perform this role. That seems a greater threat to our neutrality than us having our own intercept capability.
What sovereignty? England still occupies a part of Ireland today.
 

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I quite appreciate the wild fantasies the Irish people have had to endure over defence spending but if you support Scottish independence that can all be brought to a positive end.

An independent Scotland would bring 8 off shore patrol vessels to our alliance and two flights of six mach 2.0 for under 40 million a year each typically a flight is six aircraft
 

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Well, if you are offering a few F111s or Eurofighters funded by your good self, sure knock yourself out. Ireland is on the western approaches to the UK, rather famously, and someone told Downing Street that a long time ago. So it is in their interests to watch the Atlantic approaches and the south west. Happy enough to let them do it.

After all, Nigel Farage and the 17.4 million are paying for it, bless 'em.
Nothing more pitiful then seeing a Irishman begging off a Brit.
 

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An independent Scotland would bring 8 off shore patrol vessels to our alliance and two flights of six mach 2.0 for under 40 million a year each typically a flight is six aircraft
I doubt the British government is going to cede great swathes of the RAF and Royal Navy, along with their NATO technologies, under any circumstances.

That can be filed with the SNPs previous assertion that the UK had no choice but to enter a formal currency union.
 

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Frankly I'm bewildered its not rocket surgery a chance to enhance our defence and create laws that will put people in jail that breach those laws.
 

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I doubt the British government is going to cede great swathes of the RAF and Royal Navy, along with their NATO technologies, under any circumstances.

That can be filed with the SNPs previous assertion that the UK had no choice but to enter a formal currency union.
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Scotland can still build surface warcraft ie ships like the Samuel becket p61 can I plead with you not to desert our alliance. Can I say if you dont trust my comments then I'm deeply hurt but I can understand your skepticism I would do everything to allay that.
 

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My point is we cannot afford a conventional air force which would compete with the missile systems of the half dozen nearest of our neighbours. It would be a waste of money to try.
 

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Ireland is a beneficiary of its location in the western approaches to Europe. Much of the interference on our island was rooted in the attempt to keep anyone other than the forces of the island next door off the island as it would be a strategic chokehold for France or Spain and would be a major threat which would divide UK home forces to a two front war.

That's historically. Currently it pays for the same military on the other island to keep a defensive eye against incursion from the Atlantic side and they can play their escorting games off shore a few miles as much as they like as far as I am concerned. It isn't costing the Irish taxpayer anything and we have criminal bankers to support.
 

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But we hate the English, Russia does not occupy the wee six, typical free state WDW2 neutrality, built on the blood and treasure of NATO, and in WDW2, the United Nations, I thank god I don’t have to define myself as solely Irish.
Anyone can identify as they want, Sunshine. Guess what though. No matter how much you want it to be true, you will never be British.
 

ringobrodgar

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I doubt the British government is going to cede great swathes of the RAF and Royal Navy, along with their NATO technologies, under any circumstances.

That can be filed with the SNPs previous assertion that the UK had no choice but to enter a formal currency union.
Absolutely but that isnt what I was suggesting the Hungarian leasing deal for the JAS Gripen was €750 million over ten years so less than 40 million for two flights of six aircraft if shared between the two countries. Scotland can build the Samuel Beckett at cost for a combined Irish and Scottish Coastguard.
Oh and I'll never be British either lol
 

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My point is we cannot afford a conventional air force which would compete with the missile systems of the half dozen nearest of our neighbours. It would be a waste of money to try.
I agree but once again that is predicated on an Ireland only stance Ireland should be doing a reverse Bruce opening up a second front in Scotland to ensure its security especially since Boris and his cohorts are nutters
 


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