Does the Editor of the Irish Times condone the use of anti-Semitic tropes?

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Twice in the space of the past week, Irish Times columnist Fintan O'Toole has implied that Jewish people enjoy unusual influence and privileges in these islands.

  • On Tuesday, commenting on Kevin Myers' firing from the Sunday Times, OToole wrote that Myers and his editors "broke the only rule that matters - don't pick on people who can answer back. Jewish people have learned from the most abysmal experiences to be alert to the tropes of anti-Semitism and to call them out when they see them." The implication is clear: other groups allegedly targeted by Myers over the years lack the ability or will or influence to "answer back" and "call out" that Jewish people have. Does O'Toole really believe this?

  • In today's Irish Times, O'Toole writes: "In the column, Myers blew himself up because he strayed off the familiar path of least resistance (insulting those who do not enjoy his own privileges) into the minefield of anti-Semitic stereotypes." (Emphasis added.) Again there is a clear implication here: Jewish people enjoy "privileges" not enjoyed by others. Does O'Toole really believe this?

It seems the only difference between Kevin Myers and Fintan O'Toole is subtlety. One makes a rash statement, the other a weasel-worded insinuation.
 


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"Whatever you say, say nothin'."

Every (remaining) journalist should begin his day with this safe mantra.
 

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"Whatever you say, say nothin'."

Every (remaining) journalist should begin his day with this safe mantra.
I thought that was the first golden journalistic rule in Ireland anyway?

The second rule is circle the wagons in case the first rule gets broken.
 
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Twice in the space of the past week, Irish Times columnist Fintan O'Toole has implied that Jewish people enjoy unusual influence and privileges in these islands.

  • On Tuesday, commenting on Kevin Myers' firing from the Sunday Times, OToole wrote that Myers and his editors "broke the only rule that matters - don't pick on people who can answer back. Jewish people have learned from the most abysmal experiences to be alert to the tropes of anti-Semitism and to call them out when they see them." The implication is clear: other groups allegedly targeted by Myers over the years lack the ability or will or influence to "answer back" and "call out" that Jewish people have. Does O'Toole really believe this?

  • In today's Irish Times, O'Toole writes: "In the column, Myers blew himself up because he strayed off the familiar path of least resistance (insulting those who do not enjoy his own privileges) into the minefield of anti-Semitic stereotypes." (Emphasis added.) Again there is a clear implication here: Jewish people enjoy "privileges" not enjoyed by others. Does O'Toole really believe this?

It seems the only difference between Kevin Myers and Fintan O'Toole is subtlety. One makes a rash statement, the other a weasel-worded insinuation.
The latter quote is not that Jewish people enjoy some privilege myarse is denied but that if you say boo to the Jews your an anti Semite.

Which is quite an extraordinary point to make and if it's true for the Jewish community then it's more than true of muslims and whatever other group.

But Fintan wouldn't go there with a 4 x 4. He was hardly going to blow up his own career by triggering those groups.

Call a Jew greedy is a minefield but calling muslim communities closed is of course just wrong and no sense of a minefield about it.

It's a duplicitous approach but who is surprised.
 

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Twice in the space of the past week, Irish Times columnist Fintan O'Toole has implied that Jewish people enjoy unusual influence and privileges in these islands ...
It's because of all the unusual influence, and all their privileges, that the Jewish population of Ireland has increased so massively; from only 5,500 in the 1940s to 2,500 today.
 

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It's because of all the unusual influence, and all their privileges, that the Jewish population of Ireland has increased so massively; from only 5,500 in the 1940s to 2,500 today.
What's happening to them, why are they shrinking so much? At this rate Ireland will have no Jewish population left in 50 years time.
 

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I think it was more that a bully will meet his match when he does get someone who speaks back.

The Jewish traditionally have quite a strong lobby which has some power, JDL, and the like.

I don't think it was anti-semitic to state this.
 

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What's happening to them, why are they shrinking so much? At this rate Ireland will have no Jewish population left in 50 years time.
It's actually slowly increasing again.
 

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I think it was more that a bully will meet his match when he does get someone who speaks back.

The Jewish traditionally have quite a strong lobby which has some power, JDL, and the like.

I don't think it was anti-semitic to state this.
The Irish do too - especially in the USA.
 

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What's happening to them, why are they shrinking so much? At this rate Ireland will have no Jewish population left in 50 years time.
Marrying out, emigration and dying off. Just like the prods went from 10% to 3 or 4 %.
 

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Marrying out, emigration and dying off. Just like the prods went from 10% to 3 or 4 %.
Yes, but don't forget two huge reasons for the Protestant decline (which also occurred in the 6 cos, the Belfast region excluded) were, on the one hand, the usefulness of educated middle class prods to the Empire in the second half of the 19th century, and the availability of land in Canada, Australia, SA and NZ for the less-well-off over the same period; and on the other hand, the removal of the garrison in 1922, which brought thousands of soldiers, civil servants and their private sector equivalents back to blighty.
 

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"Whatever you say, say nothin'."

Every (remaining) journalist should begin his day with this safe mantra.
More like, "Whatever you say, be very careful how you say it."
 

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The latter quote is not that Jewish people enjoy some privilege myarse is denied but that if you say boo to the Jews your an anti Semite.
Seems to me what O'Toole is actually saying is, "If you say boo to the Jews you will be labelled an anti-Semite by the Jews, whose unusual ability to fight back will cost you your job."

This is as much an anti-Semitic trope as 'Jews are unusually good with money'.
 

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I think it was more that a bully will meet his match when he does get someone who speaks back.

The Jewish traditionally have quite a strong lobby which has some power, JDL, and the like.

I don't think it was anti-semitic to state this.
But positioning Jews as those with an unusual power to "speak[] back" is playing into the anti-Semitic narrative every bit as much as suggesting that they are unusually assertive when it comes to money.

You might want to rethink using JDL as an example of Jewish lobbying btw.
 

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Unfortunately some Irish journalists have a reputation for rudeness, obnoxiousness. Look at Kevin Myers, Tom Humphries, Paul Williams, and Ian O Doherty. It is like being rude is part of their brief. LOL
 

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Twice in the space of the past week, Irish Times columnist Fintan O'Toole has implied that Jewish people enjoy unusual influence and privileges in these islands.

  • On Tuesday, commenting on Kevin Myers' firing from the Sunday Times, OToole wrote that Myers and his editors "broke the only rule that matters - don't pick on people who can answer back. Jewish people have learned from the most abysmal experiences to be alert to the tropes of anti-Semitism and to call them out when they see them." The implication is clear: other groups allegedly targeted by Myers over the years lack the ability or will or influence to "answer back" and "call out" that Jewish people have. Does O'Toole really believe this?

  • In today's Irish Times, O'Toole writes: "In the column, Myers blew himself up because he strayed off the familiar path of least resistance (insulting those who do not enjoy his own privileges) into the minefield of anti-Semitic stereotypes." (Emphasis added.) Again there is a clear implication here: Jewish people enjoy "privileges" not enjoyed by others. Does O'Toole really believe this?

It seems the only difference between Kevin Myers and Fintan O'Toole is subtlety. One makes a rash statement, the other a weasel-worded insinuation.
Fair point.

I agree with you.

Tintan has been given a free pass. On the other hand Myers even had LV attacking him.

Why the silence with regard to Tintan ?
 

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Fair point.

I agree with you.

Tintan has been given a free pass. On the other hand Myers even had LV attacking him.

Why the silence with regard to Tintan ?
He didn't write in a British newspaper- if he had he would be in serious trouble.
 

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Unfortunately some Irish journalists have a reputation for rudeness, obnoxiousness. Look at Kevin Myers, Tom Humphries, Paul Williams, and Ian O Doherty. It is like being rude is part of their brief. LOL
It's almost as though they were trying to compensate for a lack of something or other .
 

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Who on earth thinks this is a good idea? How many more readers is this going to bring in?

So what's his position?

He thinks it was ok for Myers to write what he did and the only offence was that it was against a group who are more likely to raise hell?

Or you think it was wrong for him to write it and are indicting the press and your employer for writing similarly wrong things about groups less likely to raise hell? In which case what's your stand that you're taking?
 

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"Whatever you say, say nothin'."

Every (remaining) journalist should begin his day with this safe mantra.
But if you say nothing they will say this means you implied that you were afraid to speak out because you believed in the power of the Jews which is an antisemitic trope.
 


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