Does the EU ever make mistakes?

Tacitus

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Germany was broken up for a good reason, it was only 70 years old and had already invaded France and caused two world wars. When West Germany was created it was still powerful, I think it was a mistake to build up West Germany as Germans by their nature want to dominate. Once we allowed it reunify , we set the seed for the current German domination of the EU which is part of the reason the UK left.
Fun fact. Before 1870, it was the French who for centuries (not "merely" 70 years) tried to dominate the continent, and were chiefly involved (or even caused) in all of the great European wars, starting with the 30-years war. Yet nobody would probably today claim that it is in their "nature" to dominate Europe. But of course the Germans are different, never mind the fact that they are so widely antimilitaristic today that even their Nato partners complain about it. Or that even the concept of showing military leadership is still highly controversial in Germany. Only someone who gets his idea of modern Germany by the British yellow press would still believe this nonsense.
 


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Macron on about getting his Eu Army up and running yesterday .

I’d say there is huge disappointment that they had not got their Army Together before the Brits Escape .
 

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Here's one. The European Parliaments politically motivated attempt to reclaim party funds from.the Alliance for Direct Democracy EP group which UKIP was part of in the past.

The ECJ has struck down the EPs decision today.

I expressed concern at the time when this EP party funding system was created in the early 2000s that it could be abused in this way to play favourites.


 

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Here's one. The European Parliaments politically motivated attempt to reclaim party funds from.the Alliance for Direct Democracy EP group which UKIP was part of in the past.

The ECJ has struck down the EPs decision today.

I expressed concern at the time when this EP party funding system was created in the early 2000s that it could be abused in this way to play favourites.


So , they tried to have a system that if you were not ‘ Yes people ‘ then you would not get the funding your democratic mandate deserved .

How people cannot see that there are tendencies against fair democracy in the Eu are strange .
 

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Fun fact. Before 1870, it was the French who for centuries (not "merely" 70 years) tried to dominate the continent, and were chiefly involved (or even caused) in all of the great European wars, starting with the 30-years war. Yet nobody would probably today claim that it is in their "nature" to dominate Europe. But of course the Germans are different, never mind the fact that they are so widely antimilitaristic today that even their Nato partners complain about it. Or that even the concept of showing military leadership is still highly controversial in Germany. Only someone who gets his idea of modern Germany by the British yellow press would still believe this nonsense.
They are no longer militaristic but they very much like being in control. They control the EU and they like that role, although they sometimes pretend not to.
 

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They are no longer militaristic but they very much like being in control. They control the EU and they like that role, although they sometimes pretend not to.
Wrong again. Not only was there a great uneasiness in Germany when Berlin had to takw leadership because France could not do so during the Eurocrisis, Berlin is also far from controlling the EU. How would this even work, when the EU is specifically set up to prevent this by giving smaller countries more power and rights than they usually would have?

Germany has a lot of influence because it is wealthy and because Merkel is a highly skilled diplomate who is very good in convincing other countries to agree with her, usually by compromising. That is what the EU is about: Compromise and negotiating.

Germany has so far done nothing that would credence to the accussation that it would want to dominate the EU. This is just some jingoistic nonsense cooled up by people who are still stuck in the 1940s.
 

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Wrong again. Not only was there a great uneasiness in Germany when Berlin had to takw leadership because France could not do so during the Eurocrisis, Berlin is also far from controlling the EU. How would this even work, when the EU is specifically set up to prevent this by giving smaller countries more power and rights than they usually would have?

Germany has a lot of influence because it is wealthy and because Merkel is a highly skilled diplomate who is very good in convincing other countries to agree with her, usually by compromising. That is what the EU is about: Compromise and negotiating.

Germany has so far done nothing that would credence to the accussation that it would want to dominate the EU. This is just some jingoistic nonsense cooled up by people who are still stuck in the 1940s.
Very important never to let the Germans or the Eu have an Army . We know all too well in Europe when the Germans get an Army what happens .
 

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Wrong again. Not only was there a great uneasiness in Germany when Berlin had to takw leadership because France could not do so during the Eurocrisis, Berlin is also far from controlling the EU. How would this even work, when the EU is specifically set up to prevent this by giving smaller countries more power and rights than they usually would have?

Germany has a lot of influence because it is wealthy and because Merkel is a highly skilled diplomate who is very good in convincing other countries to agree with her, usually by compromising. That is what the EU is about: Compromise and negotiating.

Germany has so far done nothing that would credence to the accussation that it would want to dominate the EU. This is just some jingoistic nonsense cooled up by people who are still stuck in the 1940s.
?? I don't recall ever interacting with you before.

If you imagine the Euro wasn't a German tool and the migrant influx wasn't down to Merkel then you really haven't been paying attention.
 

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?? I don't recall ever interacting with you before.

If you imagine the Euro wasn't a German tool and the migrant influx wasn't down to Merkel then you really haven't been paying attention.
The refugee crisis would never have been a problem if Germany really was as powerful as you seem to believe, since it would have long been solved by relocating the refugees across Europe. And no, the refugee crisis was of course not caused by Merkel, she is in fact the only one willing to adress it when the flow of refugees threatened to destabilize Southern Europe.
The Euro was in fact created by the French to neutralize the German Mark.

Germans have nowadays no interest in dominating anyone. All they want is peace and prosperity and partners to trade with. Since the EU is the best tool to ensure peace and prosperity in Europe, Germany is sometimes forced to pick up the slack, e.g. during the Euro and refugee crisis. To prove my point there was a survey last year in Germany, according to which most Germans want Germany to be like a big Switzerland. Wealthy and neutral. Sadly Germany is too big for this role, but is quite clear that nobody in Germany is dreaming off a Fourth Reich.

As for the talk of an European army, I can understand that this idea might not appeal too much to the Irish, but it makes perfect sense for continental Europeans. Not only could we reduce a lot of the costs we currently have, it would also be the greatest insurance for peace because no country could declare war on its own anymore.
 

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The refugee crisis would never have been a problem if Germany really was as powerful as you seem to believe, since it would have long been solved by relocating the refugees across Europe. And no, the refugee crisis was of course not caused by Merkel, she is in fact the only one willing to adress it when the flow of refugees threatened to destabilize Southern Europe.
The Euro was in fact created by the French to neutralize the German Mark.

Germans have nowadays no interest in dominating anyone. All they want is peace and prosperity and partners to trade with. Since the EU is the best tool to ensure peace and prosperity in Europe, Germany is sometimes forced to pick up the slack, e.g. during the Euro and refugee crisis. To prove my point there was a survey last year in Germany, according to which most Germans want Germany to be like a big Switzerland. Wealthy and neutral. Sadly Germany is too big for this role, but is quite clear that nobody in Germany is dreaming off a Fourth Reich.

As for the talk of an European army, I can understand that this idea might not appeal too much to the Irish, but it makes perfect sense for continental Europeans. Not only could we reduce a lot of the costs we currently have, it would also be the greatest insurance for peace because no country could declare war on its own anymore.
Like I said. A solo run.
The Germans used the Euro for their own economic needs and made sure interest rates suited them.
 

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The refugee crisis would never have been a problem if Germany really was as powerful as you seem to believe, since it would have long been solved by relocating the refugees across Europe. And no, the refugee crisis was of course not caused by Merkel, she is in fact the only one willing to adress it when the flow of refugees threatened to destabilize Southern Europe.
The useless bint turned a problem into a crisis which led to people dying in the Med and in Europe.
 

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The useless bint turned a problem into a crisis which led to people dying in the Med and in Europe.
Peoply were already dying before 2015, but nobody cared, because they thought it was someone elses problem. Merkel only acted when she was warned that the refugee crisis could destabilize the Balkans, but at least she acted. She even offered a sensible and workeable solution, but was foiled by nationalist governments in Eastern Europe who realized that refugees were the perfect boogey man. If Germany really was as powerful as some believe, it would have been able to force other countries to go along with it.

The truth is of course very different. The other EU countries are willing to go along with German leadership as long as Germany pays the bills, but they can not be forced to inconvenience themselves.

made sure interest rates suited them.

You know that the last ECB director made sure that the interest rates suited Italy, and was often against the suggestions of the German reprasentative on the boards of directors right?

Honestly, the Euro is the best counterargument against supposed German domination. Not only was it forced upon Germany by France, there was not even one German ECB director so far.
 

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Eh! More than a few, and much unfinished business. In Scotland a corner of the people-trafficking trade came up to view:

But all these exploited unwilling victims ( prostitution and sham-marriages were what they did) were full EU citizens , of a full EU country ( Slovakia), veto on the EU's treaty with the UK, recipient of preachy stuff from the Commission about right-wing tendencies etc, with all the personal rights imaginable ( on paper) and recourse and representation to the european court of human rights, and maybe Court of Justice as well - but still abused and exploited in another (enthusiastically) european country!

So, yes, there's plenty of mistakes being made, and little enough being done ( this gang active from 2011-2017; even detection in 2014 did not deter them from continuing).

( The pleas in mitigation are classic; the leader protested at his planned deportation on grounds of his well-being-HE would feel unsafe. The one woman convicted protested she'd be isolated in prison- I suppose so, your fellow-prisoners are probably close to the profile of abused, exploited girls.)

The counter: How about resources to investigate suspected sham-marriages? How about an aliens register, and Slovakian police have a day trip to at risk persons ( female, young, poor background, low english language grades at school, after 6 months residence in UK, and Ireland, to ask; how are you doing?, what are you doing?
 

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A lot of these illegal immigrants are either going to be forced into or go into illegal activity . The cost of the trafficking does not add up otherwise .
 

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They haven't made the mistake the UK has made.

Well you West Brits never learn, do you? If you creeps understood anything, you would know why NI voted to remain in the EU. Including the "Prods."

Mind you, you have never understood anything. Noses tucked up Farage's and Trump's arses.

Pathetic.
 


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