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Does the Irish media have a liberal bias?


readytogo

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John Waters today on what he believes is a liberal bias in the media:

Media ignores the news in pursuit of liberal agenda - Social Affairs & News from Ireland & Abroad | The Irish Times - Fri, May 10, 2013

My opinion is that the Irish media does indeed have a liberal bias, but that liberalism is not so much a conscious ideology but simply reflects the values of a well-educated urban middle-class elite.

Does this skew news reporting? I can't see how it doesn't. News reporting necessarily involves editing some information and discounting the rest. I don't believe anyone can be truly objective. There's lots more to news reporting than simply reporting events. The power of Workers' Party ideologues in RTE in the 70s and 80s has still to be properly analysed. It's unlikely any one group could hijack a news reporting institution again, but given lack of media diversity, I think Waters is right to highlight the danger that dissenting voices in Irish society are being ignored.
 

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John Waters today on what he believes is a liberal bias in the media:

Media ignores the news in pursuit of liberal agenda - Social Affairs & News from Ireland & Abroad | The Irish Times - Fri, May 10, 2013

My opinion is that the Irish media does indeed have a liberal bias, but that liberalism is not so much a conscious ideology but simply reflects the values of a well-educated urban middle-class elite.

Does this skew news reporting? I can't see how it doesn't. News reporting necessarily involves editing some information and discounting the rest. I don't believe anyone can be truly objective. There's lots more to news reporting than simply reporting events. The power of Workers' Party ideologues in RTE in the 70s and 80s has still to be properly analysed. It's unlikely any one group could hijack a news reporting institution again, but given lack of media diversity, I think Waters is right to highlight the danger that dissenting voices in Irish society are being ignored.
Agreed, but with a twist.

We are a left leaning society, but with an historical right wing religious streak. That is what makes us so strange when you stack us against other cultures.

Just look at the way we try to imprint our own values onto an American political map. We identify almost universally with the Democrats because of its political/economic left wing nature, but revile from their liberal social values (especially abortion) that clash with our right wing religious streak, where we find that the most extreme of Republicans are our natural bedfellows.

Waters himself is left wing politically, but right wing religiously.
 

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Agreed, but with a twist.

We are a left leaning society, but with an historical right wing religious streak. That is what makes us so strange when you stack us against other cultures.

Just look at the way we try to imprint our own values onto an American political map. We identify almost universally with the Democrats because of its political/economic left wing nature, but revile from their liberal social values (especially abortion) that clash with our right wing religious streak, where we find that the most extreme of Republicans are our natural bedfellows.

Waters himself is left wing politically, but right wing religiously.
yeah lol, but it didn't stop him from boning baldy O'Connor.
 

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This is the main bias in the Irish media.

[video=youtube;s7EwXmxpExw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7EwXmxpExw[/video]

How many of you heard of "Edward Bernays" ?

The media is in the business of "manufacturing consent".

"Consent to what" you might ask.

Mostly along the lines of...
Buy junk you don't need, with money that you have not got.
Weaken yourself.
Let other people do the thinking and you do the following.
Obey those in power.
Don't think, obey.
Only people who obey can be trusted.
etc...

The Irish media has proven itself to be very Liberal with witholding what is really going on.
 
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I am reminded of Ming's comments on the Irish media, when he was on the John Murray show, on Pravda, after his election.

Anyway Ming was asked, first off about his smoking.

And Ming responded, saying that the Dublin media went overboard characterizing him as a pot smoking candidate, and implying that Ming stood for nothing else. They seemed to revel in this, and enjoyed themselves no end in it, as they dished out contempt. They also enjoyed implying that he was a law breaker.

He then went on to say that he knew the names of many of the same journalists who were describing him as such. And yet he knew that many of them were taking far stronger mind altering substances than he was taking.

The Irish media can be very hypocritical.
 
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John Waters today on what he believes is a liberal bias in the media:

Media ignores the news in pursuit of liberal agenda - Social Affairs & News from Ireland & Abroad | The Irish Times - Fri, May 10, 2013

My opinion is that the Irish media does indeed have a liberal bias, but that liberalism is not so much a conscious ideology but simply reflects the values of a well-educated urban middle-class elite.

Does this skew news reporting? I can't see how it doesn't. News reporting necessarily involves editing some information and discounting the rest. I don't believe anyone can be truly objective. There's lots more to news reporting than simply reporting events. The power of Workers' Party ideologues in RTE in the 70s and 80s has still to be properly analysed. It's unlikely any one group could hijack a news reporting institution again, but given lack of media diversity, I think Waters is right to highlight the danger that dissenting voices in Irish society are being ignored.
I hardly think the Workers' Party were liberals. Liberals are essentially just capitalists who support gay marriage and abortion.
 

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John Waters today on what he believes is a liberal bias in the media:

Media ignores the news in pursuit of liberal agenda - Social Affairs & News from Ireland & Abroad | The Irish Times - Fri, May 10, 2013

My opinion is that the Irish media does indeed have a liberal bias, but that liberalism is not so much a conscious ideology but simply reflects the values of a well-educated urban middle-class elite.

Does this skew news reporting? I can't see how it doesn't. News reporting necessarily involves editing some information and discounting the rest. I don't believe anyone can be truly objective. There's lots more to news reporting than simply reporting events. The power of Workers' Party ideologues in RTE in the 70s and 80s has still to be properly analysed. It's unlikely any one group could hijack a news reporting institution again, but given lack of media diversity, I think Waters is right to highlight the danger that dissenting voices in Irish society are being ignored.
He's right of course, but it's in the nature of the media beast.
The important thing is that the public understand that it is a beast.
 

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I hardly think the Workers' Party were liberals. Liberals are essentially just capitalists who support gay marriage and abortion.
No, I didn't say they were liberals, just using it as an example of alleged control of the media by partisan interests.

I think RTE has become a lot less socialist since the fall of the Soviet Union, and is now quite neo-liberal in economics and solidly 'progressive' on social issues.
 

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Good points by Waters how stories are spun to extract a knee jerk emotional reaction from the public rather than to stimulate intelligent and rational debate and thinking.
 

Skin the Goat

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I'm always amused by people in this country who complain about "the influence of the media on society", when what they really mean is "the influence of the media on other people because I'm too intelligent to be influenced". The fact that other people just diagree with them on princible seems to be beyond their comprehension.

The only other people who take "the influence of the media" seriously are, surprise, surprise, the media. Bless them.
 

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I'm always amused by people in this country who complain about "the influence of the media on society", when what they really mean is "the influence of the media on other people because I'm too intelligent to be influenced". The fact that other people just diagree with them on princible seems to be beyond their comprehension.

The only other people who take "the influence of the media" seriously are, surprise, surprise, the media. Bless them.
Yea I'd love to know where these Liberal Media Workers' Conventions are held. You know, where they all get together and layout their agenda and plan of action.

Someone must uncover this conspiracy. Feckers!
 

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I'm always amused by people in this country who complain about "the influence of the media on society", when what they really mean is "the influence of the media on other people because I'm too intelligent to be influenced". The fact that other people just diagree with them on princible seems to be beyond their comprehension.

The only other people who take "the influence of the media" seriously are, surprise, surprise, the media. Bless them.
That's nonsense.
Talk to people and as often as not you will find they have an opinion based on nothing other than the last headline.
 

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John Waters today on what he believes is a liberal bias in the media:

Media ignores the news in pursuit of liberal agenda - Social Affairs & News from Ireland & Abroad | The Irish Times - Fri, May 10, 2013

My opinion is that the Irish media does indeed have a liberal bias, but that liberalism is not so much a conscious ideology but simply reflects the values of a well-educated urban middle-class elite.

Does this skew news reporting? I can't see how it doesn't. News reporting necessarily involves editing some information and discounting the rest. I don't believe anyone can be truly objective. There's lots more to news reporting than simply reporting events. The power of Workers' Party ideologues in RTE in the 70s and 80s has still to be properly analysed. It's unlikely any one group could hijack a news reporting institution again, but given lack of media diversity, I think Waters is right to highlight the danger that dissenting voices in Irish society are being ignored.
Waters' prose is getting windier by the week. At least Myers writes well, rather than indulging in the overwrought who's-a-clever-boy bilge that flows from Waters' pen:

'Encroachingly, what media offers is ideological agitation in the promotion of radical social change, rather than, for example, conduits for information and commentary about matters of true social importance.'

'Encroachingly?' Really? Never mind the scattergun comma usage. Jesus Christ.

However I do kind of love the way he pretty much makes it all about himself and his amazing, neglected masterpiece about halfway through. The narcissism of the man takes some beating. He'll do pretty much anything to flog his dead hobbyhorses over and over and over again.
 

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That's nonsense.
Talk to people and as often as not you will find they have an opinion based on nothing other than the last headline.
People other than you I take it?
 

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He's right of course, but it's in the nature of the media beast.
Not really, the Sun is hardly liberal but it sells a lot of copies. I'd suggest that the reason people don't by Irish papers in the numbers that they did is that they don't want to be preached at every day:lol:
 
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