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Does this government care about National Sovereignty in any way?


Honecker

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Fine Gael and Labour are two parties which have never being very keen on Irish sovereignty. Despite FG claiming to have their origins in 1916 and the war of Independence they represent the continuity of John Redmond and Irish Parliamentary Party. Essentially the IPP wanted a government with limited powers in Dublin but within the British Empire. John Bruton best represents this tradition as he placed a portrait of Redmond in the Taoiseach's Office while grovelling to the British Monarchy. Essentially these types regret ever breaking the link with Britain and since 1973 have gone cap in hand to the Germans and French for a new Empire to rule over them and secure their landed and business interests.

Labour claims to descend from Connolly and his socialist-republicanism. I haven't enough time to give an historic critique of the Labour Party but essentially in the 70s the party was taken over by westbrit intellectuals like Conor Cruise O'Brien who despised Irish culture and hoped that by handing the country over to Brussels, european civilisation and social-democracy might rub off on us.

This government have done nothing to return sovereignty to the people. We have no control over fiscal or monetary policy. Kenny and Gilmore are happy to hand over all powers to unelected technocrats who are unnaccountable to the Irish people. The Dáil is a worthless talking shop and Ireland has become a province under the jackboot of German bankers in Frankfurt.

Of course Fianna Fáil are no better. They are the worst type of pseudo-republicans. Under Lemass FF began to become the party of builders and shady businessmen. This eventually led to Haughey and his gang of criminals taking over the party. The descendants of the provisional IRA cannot be trusted either.

Does anyone care about Sovereignty anymore? Should we just lie down and accept the Supernational (ie German) government of Europe?
 


dresden8

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I reckon this government would rather collect the expenses going to London or Berlin than collect the expenses going to Dublin for government business.
 

Dunlin3

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I hope you're feeling better now you've got that off your chest!
 

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Gombeenism is about offering services to an imperial overlord, while using their clout to keep the peasants in check.

We never got free of gombeenism in our culture. In fact in the past two decades it reared it's ugly head, and it went rampant. It is the predominant ideology in Irish politics. Just look at Gimmemore pretending to stand up to the EU, and crumbling after a few PR stunts. Yet, his missus never backed down for years in an eight year negotiation with the OPW (who were directed by her employer).
 

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Look at this rubbish from Gimmemore for example

"The euro is our own currency, it is the money in our pocket," said Mr Gilmore.

"It's lunatic economics to suggest you collapse your own currency - nobody in their right mind suggests that - the impact of that for our workers, for our services, for our country.

"We need to take the sensible and responsible route in relation to our currency. A 'Yes' vote would ensure our currency is stable."


Gilmore slams 'lunatic' euro claims - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk

Ireland had a stable currency before the euro called The Punt. It was a currency we could genuinely control and call our own yet you Quislings destroyed it.
 

sauntersplash

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How much accountability did you see when we had sovereignty?

Actually, when did we have sovereignity?
 

Ryan Tubbs

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Fine Gael and Labour are two parties which have never being very keen on Irish sovereignty. Despite FG claiming to have their origins in 1916 and the war of Independence they represent the continuity of John Redmond and Irish Parliamentary Party.....
Thats quite a strange view of how Fine Gael emerged.
 

Honecker

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Beautiful currency wasn't it? Especially compared to that ugly Teutonic currency we carry around in our pockets today.

 

Honecker

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Thats quite a strange view of how Fine Gael emerged.
Why? Do you think that IPP and all their supporters just disappereared off the face of the earth in 1918?
 

Honecker

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I presume you're joking.
No I'm not joking. Look at this crap we use today. It looks like monopoly money. It's totally devoid of any culture or heritage.

 

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I just think Irish people like some one else to blame. Last FF government blamed the opposition for the crash saying they were saying spend spend spend! Then it was the troika and IMF fault that we were forced to take a bailout, which we wouldn't need only it was all Lehman brothers fault. The regulator did his job and big money and pension but it was foreign banks fault for lending to much money to the Irish banks. Cowen blamed McCreevy and Bertie, Bertie said it was all hunky dory when he left and it was Cowen and Lenihans fault. The developers blamed the bankers, the bankers the developers , Eamon Gilmore blamed Frankfurts way and Enda said it was all our faults.
They would only for the 1916 - 2016 coming up, they'd like to stay under the umbrella and say it wasn't their choice but were forced to do it by others. Its going to be hard for them to take responsiblity for the many tough choices in the next couple of budgets.
 

sauntersplash

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No I'm not joking. Look at this crap we use today. It looks like monopoly money. It's totally devoid of any culture or heritage.

???

So what? It's a tool, what difference does it make what it looks like?

Either way, it cannot be devoid of culture, it is a cultural artifact. It is inherently resplendent with contemporary European culture, by definition. Also, without getting too bogged down in aesthetic theory, what qualities did the old ten pound note have that the ten euro note doesn't have? Apart from the fact that it depicted a self-imposed exile of Ireland who was literally disgusted with the place and everything it represented, choosing to spend his entire adult life in France and Switzwerland?
 

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???

So what? It's a tool, what difference does it make what it looks like?

Either way, it cannot be devoid of culture, it is a cultural artifact. It is inherently resplendent with contemporary European culture, by definition. Also, without getting too bogged down in aesthetic theory, what qualities did the old ten pound note have that the ten euro note doesn't have? Apart from the fact that it depicted a self-imposed exile of Ireland who was literally disgusted with the place and everything it represented, choosing to spend his entire adult life in France and Switzwerland?
Myers and various other British empire nostalgics have often referenced Joyce as leaving Ireland as if to prove how terrible Ireland was. But Joyce left when Ireland was part of the empire, an irony they don't seem to get.
 

sauntersplash

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Myers and various other British empire nostalgics have often referenced Joyce as leaving Ireland as if to prove how terrible Ireland was. But Joyce left when Ireland was part of the empire, an irony they don't seem to get.
Come on, now you're joking, surely? Surely?
 

sauntersplash

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Myers has regularly written on how wonderful life was in Ireland in the good old days of the empire. In fact it is one of the 6 or 7 topics he regularly regurgitates for his columns.
I never mentioned Mr. Myers and his opinions are a topic of complete indifference to me.

We were talking about James Joyce, how likely do you think it was that Ulysses might have been published in Ireland in 1922?

You know what I'm not even going to discuss this with you.
 

turdsl

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Vote for change e were told,We will protect the vulnerable,Not true,First they cut the hours of home help and carers, Gave massive rise in salaries to their cronies,Proposed
5% cut to former Toisaigh leaving them with over €2500 a week, Cut contract nurses by
30%,Left disabled people outside he Dail all night to fight for their rights,Passed a law to take money out of our bank accounts for property tax, No improvement for jobs, No growth,Mortgages situation getting worse, 1000 a week still leaving the country,
The EU claps us on the back,We want more, Austerity is working,
 

stakerwallace

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send this to the SF/ IRA Zoo in Portlaoise
 

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