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Does Varadkar have the balls to stand up to the EU?

ScoobyDoo

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Ever since the start of the Brexit negotiations Ireland's position in throwing all the eggs in the EU basket has been a very risky one.

The position of course to create some leverage should have been for Ireland to say, even as a bluff, it would consider it's position in the EU depending on how the withdrawal negotiations went with the UK. Thus being in a position to play the EU and UK for Ireland's advantage.


So now the EU's position on a hard border is shifting, will Leo muster the strength to say "Well if there is to be a hard border in the event of no deal, Ireland will need to consider it's position in the EU"?




EU now looks set to ask Ireland to accept concessions - Independent.ie
 


cytex

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Most likely responce will be the eu border shifting effectively to France and other EU ports so that Ireland is effectivley out of the single market and no hard border . We can still participate in the single market and goods will still flow but be checked at these ports .
 

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Most likely responce will be the eu border shifting effectively to France and other EU ports so that Ireland is effectivley out of the single market and no hard border . We can still participate in the single market and goods will still flow but be checked at these ports .
Disaster if so. The government cannot stand over this.
 

Catalpast

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Ever since the start of the Brexit negotiations Ireland's position in throwing all the eggs in the EU basket has been a very risky one.

The position of course to create some leverage should have been for Ireland to say, even as a bluff, it would consider it's position in the EU depending on how the withdrawal negotiations went with the UK. Thus being in a position to play the EU and UK for Ireland's advantage.


So now the EU's position on a hard border is shifting, will Leo muster the strength to say "Well if there is to be a hard border in the event of no deal, Ireland will need to consider it's position in the EU"?




EU now looks set to ask Ireland to accept concessions - Independent.ie
Does he have any balls?:whistling:
 

Clanrickard

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Ever since the start of the Brexit negotiations Ireland's position in throwing all the eggs in the EU basket has been a very risky one.

The position of course to create some leverage should have been for Ireland to say, even as a bluff, it would consider it's position in the EU depending on how the withdrawal negotiations went with the UK. Thus being in a position to play the EU and UK for Ireland's advantage.


So now the EU's position on a hard border is shifting, will Leo muster the strength to say "Well if there is to be a hard border in the event of no deal, Ireland will need to consider it's position in the EU"?




EU now looks set to ask Ireland to accept concessions - Independent.ie
Suppose the EU calls our bluff? Also that piece is rubbish. The position was and remains if the UK wants a deal then they have to accept no border on the island of Ireland and if they don't there is no deal.
 

cytex

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Disaster if so. The government cannot stand over this.
Agreed its a disaster . But it is a damned if you do or fupped if you don't situation. A Irish government can't break the GFA anymore than the UK one can that means no hard border on the border I can't see another option for Ireland if the UK crashes out can you ? And also interestingly if we get rid of the backstop we are in this very same position so there is no incentive at all for us to move our position.
 
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automaticforthepeople

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Of course he hasn't but there's plenty of popcorn still after the birthday party. All we need now is a case of beer and we're sorted.
 

ScoobyDoo

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Most likely responce will be the eu border shifting effectively to France and other EU ports so that Ireland is effectivley out of the single market and no hard border . We can still participate in the single market and goods will still flow but be checked at these ports .
And what is wrong with this. Good deal effectively in UK and EU SM's and no hard border.
 

mac tíre

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:rolleyes:

Is the Eagle of the Ninth giving you legal advice again?!
Just sitting on Activity Screen waiting to pounce again?

Anyway, in your glee to just jump in with a nothingness, you forgot to explain your point to me.
 

JimmyFoley

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Just sitting on Activity Screen waiting to pounce again?

Anyway, in your glee to just jump in with a nothingness, you forgot to explain your point to me.
Eh, yeah....waiting to pounce on you....

Think about it carefully. Penny will drop.
 

cytex

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And what is wrong with this. Good deal effectively in UK and EU SM's and no hard border.
What is wrong with this is quite simply mnc go to Europe rather than stick around we get poorer because of the UK. The UK still have not solved their problem of untarrifed eu goods coming in it still means a hard border as the UK can't put a effective border between NI and Britan they made it illegal last year if memory serves. This only saves government face nothing more
 

mac tíre

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Eh, yeah....waiting to pounce on you....

Think about it carefully. Penny will drop.
No, not on me personally. I wouldn't be on here enough to help you get your day in. You obviously miss Eagle, she must have helped with that.

Go on, Jimmy, indulge me.
 

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