Does Varadkar have the balls to stand up to the EU?


Beachcomber

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The majority of people on the island North and South don't want to leave the EU or the SM, no border checks in Ireland effectively removes Ireland from one of the major benefits of membership of the EU ie frictionless trade.

Personally the UK are the ones leaving they are the ones who are imposing the need for a hard border on this island against the wishes of the people on this island. So hard border and a border poll in the near future, problem solved.

The border is going to be between the rest of the EU and the whole of the British Isles.
 

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Ever since the start of the Brexit negotiations Ireland's position in throwing all the eggs in the EU basket has been a very risky one.

The position of course to create some leverage should have been for Ireland to say, even as a bluff, it would consider it's position in the EU depending on how the withdrawal negotiations went with the UK. Thus being in a position to play the EU and UK for Ireland's advantage.


So now the EU's position on a hard border is shifting, will Leo muster the strength to say "Well if there is to be a hard border in the event of no deal, Ireland will need to consider it's position in the EU"?




EU now looks set to ask Ireland to accept concessions - Independent.ie
I can’t see a snowballs chance in hell of this coming to pass but “IF” it did, a successful border poll would pass “extremely” quickly both sides of the border to get us all back into the EU proper ... it would unite North & South perfectly ....

As per usual, the loyalist crackpots are like turkeys yearning for Christmas.... more sense in a dog’s turd :?
 

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The border is going to be between the rest of the EU and the whole of the British Isles.
You are trying too hard troll - whiffs of desperation emanating from all your posts.

Even the real British in Britain do not use "British Isles".

In documents drawn up jointly between the British and Irish governments, the archipelago is referred to simply as "these islands"

World and its Peoples: Ireland and United Kingdom, London: Marshall Cavendish, 2010, p. 8.
 
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Beachcomber

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You are trying to hard troll - whiffs of desperation emanating from all your posts.

Even the real British in Britain do not use "British Isles".

In documents drawn up jointly between the British and Irish governments, the archipelago is referred to simply as "these islands"

World and its Peoples: Ireland and United Kingdom, London: Marshall Cavendish, 2010, p. 8.

That's the Irish government of the 26 county state called Ireland.

Right?

The one that you claim is illegal.
 

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Effectively out is the keyword there. As in all our goods would have to be checked and cleared by customs costing us time and money making our goods slightly more expensive
You mean like the 1% of goods that come into the country from outside of the EU? thats what currently gets checked by the Irish authorities , keep the fear mongering going .:lol:
 

Beachcomber

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You are trying to hard troll - whiffs of desperation emanating from all your posts.

Even the real British in Britain do not use "British Isles".

In documents drawn up jointly between the British and Irish governments, the archipelago is referred to simply as "these islands"

World and its Peoples: Ireland and United Kingdom, London: Marshall Cavendish, 2010, p. 8.

So now you admit that we are British.

Thanks for that.
 

Beachcomber

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Effectively out is the keyword there. As in all our goods would have to be checked and cleared by customs costing us time and money making our goods slightly more expensive

Do you think installing and running a hard border would be slightly more expensive than the current situation?
 

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The border is going to be between the rest of the EU and the whole of the British Isles.
You hadn't even heard about such a proposal until i informed you just yesterday.
It stands about a 0% chance of occuring.
Much less painful to put up a hard border and seal off the nordies.
 

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The majority of people on the island North and South don't want to leave the EU or the SM, no border checks in Ireland effectively removes Ireland from one of the major benefits of membership of the EU ie frictionless trade.

Personally the UK are the ones leaving they are the ones who are imposing the need for a hard border on this island against the wishes of the people on this island. So hard border and a border poll in the near future, problem solved.


That was not the question.

The question is what does anyone have against a solution that involves Ireland remaining in the EU SM, free access to UK SM and no border on the island.
 

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What would the multinationals be upset about?
Indeed as long as they keep getting to pay no corporation tax they will be happy.

Ireland's reward for accepting the EU solution will be no messing with tax rates.... for a while longer at least.
 

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The EU "issue" with our tax is down to the jumbo tech companies and how they manage their own taxes, which is really a global problem. Some EU countries also imagine that bringing our rates more in line will magically make MNCs embrace them with open arms.
 

jman0war

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The EU "issue" with our tax is down to the jumbo tech companies and how they manage their own taxes, which is really a global problem. Some EU countries also imagine that bringing our rates more in line will magically make MNCs embrace them with open arms.
I think the EU have given up about tax Rates.
It's now just tax Base, and it makes perfect sense to harmonize what corporate revenue is subject to tax.
We can still compete against others with our Rate.
 

jman0war

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The question is what does anyone have against a solution that involves Ireland remaining in the EU SM, free access to UK SM and no border on the island.
It may mean that customs checks are applied to irish goods that arrive to the continent. Anything that relegates our access to the EU single market to the slow lane, is very not good.
Much less painful to place the checks on goods entering from the UK via the NI border.
 

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Ever since the start of the Brexit negotiations Ireland's position in throwing all the eggs in the EU basket has been a very risky one.

The position of course to create some leverage should have been for Ireland to say, even as a bluff, it would consider it's position in the EU depending on how the withdrawal negotiations went with the UK. Thus being in a position to play the EU and UK for Ireland's advantage.


So now the EU's position on a hard border is shifting, will Leo muster the strength to say "Well if there is to be a hard border in the event of no deal, Ireland will need to consider it's position in the EU"?




EU now looks set to ask Ireland to accept concessions - Independent.ie
We are the EU; why do we need to stand up to ourselves?
 

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That's the Irish government of the 26 county state called Ireland.

Right?

The one that you claim is illegal.
The 'Southern Ireland' State is obviously not Ireland - it is merely in Ireland.

Meaningless name changes to the 'Southern Ireland' jurisdiction as established under England's 'Government of Ireland Act 1920' can never change that reality.

What claim is that troll???
 

pontecar

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No way are the EU going to push Ireland down a road they dont want to go down. The EU has made a great play of standing by Ireland and “punishing” the UK and no chance of that changing now unless Dublin is OK with a change. Not out of caring for Ireland so much as the optics looking so bad and damaging the EU project. Sitting in York Id take any reasonable way out of the mess at this stage. Soft Brexit or new vote please.
 

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Wish the Irish people would realize that to the EU ,Ireland is no more important than Cyprus or Malta. Ireland will be forced to reach some agreement with London

The Republic should be like the Unionists, being the tail wagging the dog. the dog being the EU. Otherwise the EU will force a hard border
 

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The 'Southern Ireland' State is obviously not Ireland - it is merely in Ireland.

Meaningless name changes to the 'Southern Ireland' jurisdiction as established under England's 'Government of Ireland Act 1920' can never change that reality.

What claim is that troll???
Article 4 - The name of the state is Éire, or, in the english language, Ireland.

Article 5 - Ireland is a sovereign, independent, democratic state.


Since we abolished Articles 2 and 3 - and gave up all claims to the Ulster6 - the state referred to above only refers to the 26 'southern' counties.
 
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