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Does Varadkar have the balls to stand up to the EU?

Roberto Jordan

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The thing is that neither Varadkar nor any other Taoiseach before him has ever 'stood up to' any bloc, whether we are officially members of that bloc or not.

Cowan's 'the people have spoken' after Lisbon I when we were the only country to have a referendum on the conversion of a trading bloc to a Federalisation project springs to mind.

We all know what subsequently happened there. The people had to have their mind changed for Lisbon II. There has never been the slightest question of a Taoiseach emerging to defy any international organisation or power bloc, whether it is Washington and its rendition policies involving an Irish airport, the EU at any level, Tim Geithner, the Troika.

The closest we ever come to it is when there are suggestions we should deal with our internal corruption. And from there it is only evasion practised and no kind of 'defiance'.

Varadkar isn't going to break the tradition that Taoisigh are there to sell internally whatever has been decided in international arenas- if only by the sort of apathy displayed by Michael Noonan in recent years when he made great play of what he was going to do as Minister for Finance and then when elected went to Brussels on a PR display, came back with nothing and a 'sure what can you do' sort of explanation.

I've got a funny feeling that the apparent preparations in the background of extra revenue officials being hired and arrangements being prepared for check-pointing by the Gardai tell the real story.

Political Varadkar, Coveney and co don't want to be associated with the re-emergence of a border between Northern Ireland and the Republic but the one thing you can be sure of is that if the EU tells them that the border has to become a customs outpost protecting the EU's single market in the region then that is surely what they will do- denying it all the way.
TBF the government of the day could have jumped in with the Allies , especially after Pearl Harbor. Granted internal politics were a factor. But it wouldn't happen today.
 


Roberto Jordan

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We do have to go through immigration entering other EU countries thanks to being in the Common Travel Area and thus outside Schengen.
Seeing as we are semi-detached for people, what's the big deal about a check on goods in the same manner, in order to keep the border open?
And don't say Single Market integrity, because smuggling will banjax that.
The issue is the time cost and complications that arise. Unless the system was deliberately designed to be less than thorough then you are looking at days in customs, generation of paper work at shippers end in particular and the occasional hold-up or rejection. If a US firm ships to Europe from Ireland goods can be there overnight. Even if they can get the same goods on a direct flight to a third country, the goods will probably be on ground for days before delivery & actual shipment will be delayed until all manner of paperwork is generated. It might be said that what is the big deal with all this, but its the same issue forevery shipment for ever ( until something big in regard to EU or Ireland changes)

The above is not a fait accompli. But the system would have to be mighty complex in its design ( rather than execution) in order to avoid this.

Its also still teh case that while we want goods and people to move around our island, we do not, I am sure, want third country goods ( e.g. like the good old USDA beef I eat here everyday) coming in via the UK, so that would remain an issue....do you say ireland now has to accept anything that is allowed off a ship in Liverpool or Glasgow depsite customs in those ports not necessarily applying EU regulations?

So it seems to me that if one is selling checks on goods arriving from Ireland to the continent , one must also sell checks on goods arriving in Larne from the "mainland"....good luck with that...

No good answers!!
 

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Varadkar is like the little obnoxious bloke who hides behind the schoolyard bully and verbally abused everybody. Merkel' s attack dog.
 

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There hasn't been a Taoiseach in fifty years who has ever 'stood up to' the EU or any other external supranational power bloc for that matter.

Name the last Taoiseach who has 'defied' the EU, UN, Washington, London, the Fed or said 'no' to them on anything.
Wish people would finally realize that De Valera was the last true nationalist, i.e. Ireland first, F the rest of the world.

[video=youtube;MQuagk-B2B4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQuagk-B2B4[/video]
 

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Ever since the start of the Brexit negotiations Ireland's position in throwing all the eggs in the EU basket has been a very risky one.

The position of course to create some leverage should have been for Ireland to say, even as a bluff, it would consider it's position in the EU depending on how the withdrawal negotiations went with the UK. Thus being in a position to play the EU and UK for Ireland's advantage.


So now the EU's position on a hard border is shifting, will Leo muster the strength to say "Well if there is to be a hard border in the event of no deal, Ireland will need to consider it's position in the EU"?




EU now looks set to ask Ireland to accept concessions - Independent.ie
We are the EU.
 

hiding behind a poster

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No! Little Leo Varadkar is an onanist of the highest order.Like the rest of FG its not what he can do for his fellow citizens its what they can do for him.
Feel better after that little ejaculation?
 

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Ever since the start of the Brexit negotiations Ireland's position in throwing all the eggs in the EU basket has been a very risky one.

The position of course to create some leverage should have been for Ireland to say, even as a bluff, it would consider it's position in the EU depending on how the withdrawal negotiations went with the UK. Thus being in a position to play the EU and UK for Ireland's advantage.


So now the EU's position on a hard border is shifting, will Leo muster the strength to say "Well if there is to be a hard border in the event of no deal, Ireland will need to consider it's position in the EU"?




EU now looks set to ask Ireland to accept concessions - Independent.ie
No one ever said the Irish where smart , instead they got played by a bunch of eurocrats in Brussels .:lol:
 

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Leo will stand up for Ireland.He will not budge an inch ................until someone tells him to

It is hard to believe that through the most turbulent times in modern politics, with emigration/brexit/ a serious problem .we have an unelected minority government at the helm
 

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Leo will stand up for Ireland.He will not budge an inch ................until someone tells him to

It is hard to believe that through the most turbulent times in modern politics, with emigration/brexit/ a serious problem .we have an unelected minority government at the helm
They're a minority government, but they're no more or less elected than any government we've ever had.
 

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Leo will stand up for Ireland.He will not budge an inch ................until someone tells him to

It is hard to believe that through the most turbulent times in modern politics, with emigration/brexit/ a serious problem .we have an unelected minority government at the helm
We have, effectively, a Government of National unity in operation at the moment as the National interests and line are well mapped-out and agreed between FG, FF and SF.

That's why the British Tory Right and Hard Right skum have not been in a position to undermine Ireland's line - and this has driven them off the deep end as they have failed miserably to also undermine the EU unity.
 
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Cellachán Chaisil

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The EU have started to turn on Ireland over this tax haven business . We will be screwed . the DUP , Known as the Jesus freaks will be wailing with their hands in the air and claiming that God is on their side.
Can you spell veto?
 

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