Does Varadkar have the balls to stand up to the EU?

shiel

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Ever since the start of the Brexit negotiations Ireland's position in throwing all the eggs in the EU basket has been a very risky one.

The position of course to create some leverage should have been for Ireland to say, even as a bluff, it would consider it's position in the EU depending on how the withdrawal negotiations went with the UK. Thus being in a position to play the EU and UK for Ireland's advantage.


So now the EU's position on a hard border is shifting, will Leo muster the strength to say "Well if there is to be a hard border in the event of no deal, Ireland will need to consider it's position in the EU"?




EU now looks set to ask Ireland to accept concessions - Independent.ie
Asking Paddy to dump the EU and rejoin the UK is pathetic.

That says it all about the motivation of people who support the Brexiteers.

Brexiteers have nothing but racist contempt for fellow citizens especially for Paddy.

Brexiteers are saying they should dump the GFA - an international agreement, signed by the UK, lodged with the UN and passed by massive majority on the island of Ireland in the scrap heap.

How pathetic is that in relation to international relations and in relation to any kind of respect for fellow human beings?
 


owedtojoy

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Ever since the start of the Brexit negotiations Ireland's position in throwing all the eggs in the EU basket has been a very risky one.

The position of course to create some leverage should have been for Ireland to say, even as a bluff, it would consider it's position in the EU depending on how the withdrawal negotiations went with the UK. Thus being in a position to play the EU and UK for Ireland's advantage.


So now the EU's position on a hard border is shifting, will Leo muster the strength to say "Well if there is to be a hard border in the event of no deal, Ireland will need to consider it's position in the EU"?




EU now looks set to ask Ireland to accept concessions - Independent.ie
A post that did not age very well.

Pretty putrid, actually.

That particular unicorn died, and is stinking rotten.
 

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That's BS. The UK will suffer an immediate shock after the coming hard Brexit that will continue for a couple of years but their economy is going to flourish long term because of it.
Let's say you're right. What will be the key factor allowing it to flourish in your opinion?
What will be it's unique selling point?
 

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Let's say you're right. What will be the key factor allowing it to flourish in your opinion?
What will be it's unique selling point?
the Euro going tits up, an Italy default?
 

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Let's say you're right. What will be the key factor allowing it to flourish in your opinion?
What will be it's unique selling point?
An impoverished population will to work for buttons, desperate enough to accept the disappearance of the welfare state and accept any authoritarian control that promises them a slight improvement.

Such was the Soviet Union after the collapse of Communism.
 

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An impoverished population will to work for buttons, desperate enough to accept the disappearance of the welfare state and accept any authoritarian control that promises them a slight improvement.

Such was the Soviet Union after the collapse of Communism.
the EU open borders will see the end of the welfare state too
 

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British think tank founder says UK should 'bribe or threaten' Republic of Ireland to drop opposition to Brexit border backstop

Brexiteer stuff that highlights their contempt for Paddy.
 

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An impoverished population will to work for buttons, desperate enough to accept the disappearance of the welfare state and accept any authoritarian control that promises them a slight improvement.

Such was the Soviet Union after the collapse of Communism.
Well then it's USP will be as a lesson to us all?
 

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the Euro going tits up, an Italy default?
Britain though?

Hard to imagine what a non aligned, in normal Western terms State, with easily replaceable industries on the global scale, and losing its lifeblood services industries access to the European market is going to trade on except for it's admittedly big belly.

Pop songs?
 

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Leo is correct, the UK does face decades of economic decline. Whether a few idiots commenting below the article like him or not doesn't change that.
London will be fine , the rest of the country not so much. Bit like here really!
 

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London will be fine , the rest of the country not so much. Bit like here really!
Will London be fine?

I remember it in all its Eighties glory, and admittedly before Heseltine put the Isle of Dogs enterprise in place. There was tumbleweed blowing up and down Hoxton, a near, and now, achingly cool near suburb of the 'City of London'.
What about when 'The City' loses its passporting rights for banks for trade into the EU?


What about when the artistic hub loses its coolness because of the ongoing?

What, and this is critical to its economy, happens, when the first foreign property investors get cold feet and the first sales of untenanted investment properties set off a landslide?
 

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Will London be fine?

I remember it in all its Eighties glory, and admittedly before Heseltine put the Isle of Dogs enterprise in place. There was tumbleweed blowing up and down Hoxton, a near, and now, achingly cool near suburb of the 'City of London'.
What about when 'The City' loses its passporting rights for banks for trade into the EU?


What about when the artistic hub loses its coolness because of the ongoing?

What, and this is critical to its economy, happens, when the first foreign property investors get cold feet and the first sales of untenanted investment properties set off a landslide?
Londons a global city. Any young French or Italian person with initiative goes there as their own country is stagnant. Allied to that you have Asian and Russian money flowing in. Yep London will be fine.
 

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Londons a global city. Any young French or Italian person with initiative goes there as their own country is stagnant. Allied to that you have Asian and Russian money flowing in. Yep London will be fine.
You seem to be getting mixed up between the future and present tenses. Hell yeah it's fine, but as the freedom of movement ends and the French and Italians go, inevitably somewhere else, it may begin to resemble that tumbleweed city, I've mentioned.

As I also mentioned it would only take the slightest shake in confidence to start the Russian and Asian flight of property based investment capital.

They're there for ever rising property prices.

Once one of them pulls at the corner of the rug, then it's over, don't you think?
 

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You seem to be getting mixed up between the future and present tenses. Hell yeah it's fine, but as the freedom of movement ends and the French and Italians go, inevitably somewhere else, it may begin to resemble that tumbleweed city, I've mentioned.

As I also mentioned it would only take the slightest shake in confidence to start the Russian and Asian flight of property based investment capital.

They're there for ever rising property prices.

Once one of them pulls at the corner of the rug, then it's over, don't you think?
If that was the case the Brexit vote would have ended the migration, it hasnt. Italy and France protect eldery insiders at the expense of young people. That is why there are huge numbers of young French and Italians in London. Conversely elderly people from the UK move to Spain.

None of us can predict the future but your shrill OTT doomsday scenario is extremely unlikely. London is a world city , people want to live and visit there. Brexit wont change that.
 

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That's BS. The UK will suffer an immediate shock after the coming hard Brexit that will continue for a couple of years but their economy is going to flourish long term because of it.
can you explain how their economy is going to flourish please?
 

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If that was the case the Brexit vote would have ended the migration, it hasnt. Italy and France protect eldery insiders at the expense of young people. That is why there are huge numbers of young French and Italians in London. Conversely elderly people from the UK move to Spain.

None of us can predict the future but your shrill OTT doomsday scenario is extremely unlikely. London is a world city , people want to live and visit there. Brexit wont change that.
Well we'll soon see,I suppose.

I'd expect London to be feeling the pinch within a couple of years, which is to say, some time later than the rest of the UK.
 

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can you explain how their economy is going to flourish please?
Doing what they have always done but without being shackled to the lowest growth block in the world would be a start.....

Removal of tariffs on imported goods driving up the purchasing power of the lowest 50% income bracket and thus domestic demand (they don't tend to save so much),

Getting rid of a ton of regulation and a whole tranche of bureaucracy (efficiency).

Not forcing the poor to waste a large % of their money on over priced low value foods and basic consumer goods thus driving domestic demand, improving BofP and generally making poor people's lives better.

Not paying for an INTERnational health service.

A selective immigration system like the US, Canada and Aus so they get the best and the brightest (yeah I know we have the lottery but that is a small %)

Not paying for a EU Army (Although the comedy value might be worth it).

Investing 12B a year in something that actually generates a return ie education or infrastructure. Lets do some math, a hospital cost maybe $1B, so after 5 years nearly every county in the UK could have had a new hospital, not mentioning the construction industry spin offs, second 5 years could be schools - 200M$ each so that's 5 per county (ish). 3rd 5 years, rail up grades would be three cross rail size projects. Thats 15 years of mass construction / investment all "paid for already so no tax hike). All require steel, labor, trucks, talent.............

Personally id take a bunch of that money and invest it in O&G extraction, from what I read they are sitting on 100s of years of shale, they already have connectors to Europe, Europe can by its gas off the Russians, the Arabs, The US or the Brits. Shale is cheap, make your choice.

Investing 39B in the same (contentious but true)

Investing the money they do charge on the tariffs they decide to keep in the same rather than sending the revenue to Brussels...

Lowering the CT rate to that of ROI which seems to work for Ire'.

Lowering the CT rate to a point that undercuts the EU by enough to offset any EU tariff charges.

Not having to manufacture to CE standards when the destination country doesn't need, require it or want.

Creating free ports and special economic zones (allowed under WTO), in fact NI could be a special economic zone with nominal CT of 5% for e.g. to compensate for the farm problems.

Sell processed fish products to the far east would be another good idea and they are certainly going to be swimming in fish - pardon the pun ;-)

There are other perfectly good revenue raisers like taxing foreign commercial vehicles (I have seen ques of eastern European lorries there that pay no road taxes or fees. Additionally in the US / Canada we also keep an eye on truckers cross border fuel loading - another tax dodge!

...few ideas there buddy blue.
 

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Asking Paddy to dump the EU and rejoin the UK is pathetic.

That says it all about the motivation of people who support the Brexiteers.

Brexiteers have nothing but racist contempt for fellow citizens especially for Paddy.

Brexiteers are saying they should dump the GFA - an international agreement, signed by the UK, lodged with the UN and passed by massive majority on the island of Ireland in the scrap heap.

How pathetic is that in relation to international relations and in relation to any kind of respect for fellow human beings?
Ummm, asking Ireland to rejoin the UK is not part of the debate in any manner whatsoever. If anything, a lot of people are more interested in offloading the DUP onto Dublin either because we can't be bothered anymore and/or for the lols.
 


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